- From: Patrick Stickler <patrick.stickler@nokia.com>
- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:00:08 +0200
- To: ext Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- CC: <www-archive@w3.org>
To clarify, I will intend to write up a section on PD comparable to
section 4 of Sergey's document, as well as my changes to section 3
which presume an S-level of resolution, and will then send that to
you for review and the infusion of the math.
How does that sound?
Patrick
On 2002-01-11 16:21, "ext Jeremy Carroll" <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> note I've moved off-list, but copying to www-archive.
> This allows the conversion to be public domain but not in-your-face for
> the
> rest of the group.
>
> Assuming the telecon OKs the plan we've just agreed, I suggest we
> propose
> that we do our work off-list in this way. This should help reduce RDF
> Core
> bandwidth utilisation.
>
> I like your pictures, I think they are really helpful.
>
> I think we should decide which horse to back and forget the others for
> now.
>
> My reckoning is that S is leading the race, and PL is in the race, and
> both
> are different from the sort of solutions we have been in favour of.
>
> For me, the race will be won on rdf-interest (not rdf-core), hence the
> familiarity of the PD proposal is IMO the key.
>
> So I suggest restricting our write-up to PD, and forgetting, for now, U
> and
> P++.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> On the maths ...
>
> Your suggested framework ...
>
> [[[[[
>
> 1. Take up to section 4.1 as a starting point (rework section 3 and
> remove sections 4.2 onwards, including section 5).
>
> 2. Add math in or following section 4.1 that states that for any pairing
>
> (lexical_form, data_type_URIref)
>
> there is one and only one mapping
>
> (lexical_form, data_value)
>
> between the lexical space and value space of that data type.
>
> Surely the math for this is straightforward (I wish I could provide it).
>
> 3. Add final sections detailing the idioms P and D, how they define such
> pairings of lexical form and data type.
>
> ]]]]]]]
>
> I started thinking about this and got a bit of nervous.
>
> So far, we have decided not to have a processing model for RDF: step 3
> above
> looks like creeping towards one, and overall this looks like an extra
> layer
> in our analysis.
>
> I am beginning to see the attraction of trying to do it all in the model
> theory, which, as far as I understand, Pat made a stab at in:
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Nov/0011.html
>
> "Datatypes and MT"
>
> I am beginning to feel that I need to bite the bullet and build on top
> of
> Pat's work and actually do some model theory.
>
> Then your diagrams and some text would be the informal part, and we
> simply
> wouldn't have the intermediate level math that would actually be useful
> to
> an implementor!
>
> My understanding is the MT route that we have taken overall is a
> decision to
> leave implementation to implementators and to prioritise being clear
> over
> being at the right level for implementators.
>
> I am flying out to the WebOnt F2F this weekend, I will try and have a
> stab
> at PD model theory on the plane. ("stab" is perhaps an unfortunate turn
> of
> phrase).
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
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