- From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@akamai.com>
- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:08:41 -0700
- To: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>
- Cc: Henrik Frystyk Nielsen <henrikn@microsoft.com>, "Mountain, Highland M" <highland.m.mountain@intel.com>, David Fallside <fallside@us.ibm.com>, gdaniels@macromedia.com, skw@hplb.hpl.hp.com, Noah Mendelsohn <Noah_Mendelsohn@lotus.com>, jones@research.att.com, marc.hadley@Sun.COM, Chris.Ferris@Sun.COM, ylafon@w3.org, ohurley@iona.com, Alan Kropp <akropp@epicentric.com>, www-archive@w3.org
> You consider a combination of bindings (e.g. SMTP+RPC) as a new > binding requiring a new identifier. > > Once people have come up with lots of different nested bindings > (attachments, RPC, maybe compression, etc), the number of > combinations will be fairly high, and a URI for each of them might > become unworkable. > > Presumably, the binding (and unbinding) of the SOAP message will > have to be an ordered operation: e.g. XML Infoset -> XML > serialization -> MIME multipart -> SMTP. > > What about an ordered list of URIs for a combination of bindings? This touches on something that I've been wanting to expand upon for some time. What a 'binding is' has encompassed several things during the lifetime of the TF: - underlying protocols (e.g., HTTP, SMTP, TCP, BEEP, etc.) - underlying protocol features (encryption, authentication, etc.) - message exchange pattern in use (one-way, request/response, etc.) - attachment scheme in use (MIME, DIME, etc.) - 'higher' (business) protocol constraints (RPC, etc.) Although it looks like everyone agrees that a binding should be identified by a URI, it appears that we haven't yet reached consensus in this group (or maybe I just missed it) regarding what that implies, in these terms. As we do define them, I have these preferences; - The potential pool of binding identifiers should not be needlessly large. It's tempting to identify every permutation of these features with a different URI, but I question what purpose this serves; it only pushes the problem to a different place, requiring implementations to be able to know all of the binding URIs they support, as well as requiring a system for generating binding URIs in a sensible fashion. A binding identity effectively becomes an alias for a group of properties in such cases; rather than saying "(HTTP, auth, SSL, request/response)" - in some syntax - we say "FooBindingID". Recent proposals that I've seen have moved towards supporting multiple MEPs and property optionality in one binding definition, which I like. - We explicitly consider the uses of binding identifiers in resolving what their scope is. So far, I haven't seen any directed effort to architect what a binding identity is, based on the use cases; most of the motivation seems to be coming from "how to make it easy to describe a binding". I freely admit this may be due to inattention or lack of comprehension on my part. How do we plan BI's (new acronym, heh) to be used? Will they be transported in the message, in the underlying protocol, in WSDL and other descriptions? What constraints and requirements do the potential uses place on the identifier? I also have a concern; - Binding properties (which seem to include a number of the items above) have their own identifiers, so that they can be refered to. This notion seems to be predicated on the idea that they will be able to be reused; i.e., if we refer to "FooProperty" in one binding, it might be possible to refer to the same "FooProperty" elsewhere, introducing efficiency, code reuse, etc. I'm nervous about this, as the semantics of a particular property, if 'punched through' from an underlying protocol, are often quite specific to that protocol. For example, while it's tempting to refer to the authentication supplied by RFC2617 as "authentication", this isn't too useful, as the operational aspect of 2617 authentication is somewhat more complex, and has implications, like the security of the authentication mechanism. The same is true for other things, like message exchange pattern (there are timing issues with HTTP), encryption (cryptosystems are notoriously variable in their operational aspects), etc. What utility is provided by abstracting these things out to 'properties' with identifiers if they do not fully describe their operational semantics, as to make them interchangable? It seems like I'm not getting something here; I'd be appreciative of any help. Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham, Research Scientist Akamai Technologies (San Mateo, CA USA)
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