- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:31:17 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19 May 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa,
Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION-1533: (Joanie) Investigate and possibly
create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener
with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests.
2. [5]ACTION-1621: (Joseph) Ask Cynthia if UIA Express
will be abandoned, and do we want to keep the UIA
Express column in the mapping spec.
* [6]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 19 May 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agneda+ ISSUE-635: (Joseph) AAPI mappings for role
rowgroup.
<richardschwerdtfeger> found it
<clown> rich:
[7]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=201
50519T15&p1=250&ah=1
[7]
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20150519T15&p1=250&ah=1
<scribe> scribe: joanie
ACTION-1533: (Joanie) Investigate and possibly create a
minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of
automating the 1.1 tests.
<clown> action-1533?
<trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and
possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener
with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2015-06-02 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[8]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
[8] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
<clown> scribenick:
<clown> scribenick: clown
JD: I postponed and updated the action to the beginning of
June.
... I came up with a quick-and-dirty pyatspi script, it does
the job.
... In Selenium.
... I can attempt to port it to JavaScript.
... I put a note about this in the action.
... It does a tree dive to get the element ID.
... I suspect all the platforms expose that.
... The tree dive is on the a11y tree.
RS: Can we see the code?
JS: How about a pastebin?
<discussion of the code>
RS: Does it do the API mapping test?
JD: Look at the assertion at line 93, 94, 95.
JS: It is using the pyatspi library to get info straight out of
AT-SPI
JD: Each language would have to implement things like
getName(), getDescription(), and so on.
... For example, one could do something similar for IA2.
CS: That's what my dev was doing. It wasn't that hard.
RS: It would be good if the ERT group to do this.
JD: I put this in WebDriver as a proof of concept.
action-1533?
<trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and
possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener
with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2015-06-02 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[9]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
[9] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
CS: My goal was to somehow get these concepts into webdriver.
RS: I'm not sure there are enough resources in the webdriver
group.
... Although, I don't really care how it gets done. Let
whomever can do it, go ahead.
CS: I need to talk to someone about how to contribute.
... But, this kind of a11y testing is just testing.
RS: Eventually, I would like a cross platform API for all of
this.
JD: I just wanted to mention that we don't need a test harness
as W3C already has that.
... We just need some glue code.
<joanie> scribe: joanie
RS: We have to write the test cases.
... Jon has coding skills and students who could work on this.
... But if ERT could work on automating our tests, let them go
do it.
... And when they have issues, they could report them to us.
... I would rather us not have to stop, create all the tests,
we don't want to do manual testing, etc.
... Why not leverage these folks and then contribute the result
to WebDriver.
CS: Maybe. But the code is pretty small.
... The harness code is easy.
... Translating the test cases into the syntax is easy, but
time consuming.
... Do we need ERT for that?
... The other piece is commands for accessibility APIs. That's
a bit more work.
... What Joanie just did and what my dev did, and some students
writing test cases, is what I think we should do.
RS: We potentially could do that, but some group needs to do
the work.
CS: Jon's students did IE testing.
... And I want to keep the number of groups small.
RS: I wrote a draft charter for this group. Their job would be
to create the automated testing and unified accessibility API
testing.
CS: I don't know if we need a group to do this.
RS: I've been told WebDriver isn't far off the ground.
CS: Do we expect to start these tests next week?
RS: No. Probably August should be fine.
CS: I was looking at doing this late in the summer.
... Someone needs to port the existing ARIA tests and port
them. Also create new tests for 1.1.
... It's a lot of typing, but not that hard.
... The 1.0 ARIA files already existed. So it's just the
additional features and any changes in 1.1.
... The bulk of the work is porting.
<clown> [10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
[10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
CS: It sounds like a have a practical way forward. I'll look at
the Microsoft work going into WebDriver.
... Joanie can look at IA2 and ATSPI2
JS: The URL above is the ARIA 1.1 test plan.
... So is this an issue?
<clown> issue: Automated testing using WebDriver for ARIA 1.1
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-710 - Automated testing using
webdriver for aria 1.1. Please complete additional details at
<[11]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/710/edit>.
[11] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/710/edit
<clown> issue-710?
<trackbot> issue-710 -- Automated testing using WebDr8ver for
ARIA 1.1 -- open
<trackbot> [12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/710
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/710
<clown> issue-710?
<trackbot> issue-710 -- Automated testing using WebDriver for
ARIA 1.1 -- open
<trackbot> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/710
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/710
<clown> ACTION: Joanie hooked up ATK/AT-SPI to webDriver
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1637 - Hooked up atk/at-spi to
webdriver [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-05-26].
<clown> action-1637?
<trackbot> action-1637 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Hooked up
atk/at-spi to webdriver -- due 2015-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1637
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1637
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to take the concept of a11y testiing in
WebDriver to the WebDriver group. [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1638 - Take the concept of a11y
testiing in webdriver to the webdriver group. [on Cynthia
Shelly - due 2015-05-26].
<clown> action-1638?
<trackbot> action-1638 -- Cynthia Shelly to Take the concept of
a11y testiing in webdriver to the webdriver group. -- due
2015-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1638
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1638
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to implement WebDriver a11y testing for
UIA [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1639 - Implement webdriver a11y
testing for uia [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-05-26].
<clown> action-1639?
<trackbot> action-1639 -- Cynthia Shelly to Implement webdriver
a11y testing for uia -- due 2015-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1639
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1639
<clown> trackbot, associate action-1639 with issue-710
<trackbot> action-1639 (Implement webdriver a11y testing for
uia) associated with issue-710.
<clown> ACTION: Rich to send a note to James Craig about test
automation with WebDriver [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1640 - Send a note to james craig
about test automation with webdriver [on Richard Schwerdtfeger
- due 2015-05-26].
<clown> action-1640?
<trackbot> action-1640 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Send a note
to james craig about test automation with webdriver -- due
2015-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1640
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1640
<clown> action-1640?
<trackbot> action-1640 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Send a note
to James Craig about test automation with WebDriver -- due
2015-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1640
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1640
ACTION-1621: (Joseph) Ask Cynthia if UIA Express will be abandoned,
and do we want to keep the UIA Express column in the mapping spec.
<clown> action-1621?
<trackbot> action-1621 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Ask Cynthia if
UIA Express will be abandoned, and do we want to keep the UIA
Express column in the mapping spec. -- due 2015-05-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1621
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1621
CS: The new browser Edge is for UIA; not UIA Express.
... IE 11 will continue to ship for the foreseeable future as a
backwards-compatibility browser and will still be UIA Express.
RS: So ARIA 1.1 might not be available in IE 11.
CS: IE 11 will remain the way it is now.
RS: Content injection using CSS, typically the only way you can
get at that is via an API mapping.
... So ATs will be accessing content via the DOM.
... So we have a non-interoperable situation, some is only
available via APIs and other only available via the DOM.
CS: Only on that platform, but yes.
RS: And we don't know when everyone will migrate to Edge.
CS: If they upgrade to Windows 10, they'll have both IE and
Edge.
<clown> proposed resolution - Leave the UIA Express mappings in
the Core-AAM as they are for ARIA 1.1.
CS: I think that makes sense, but there may be places where
what's in the document doesn't align with what has been
implemented in IE.
... But the column will stay there.
<clown> resolution: Leave the UIA Express mappings in the
Core-AAM as they are for ARIA 1.1, with potential bug fixes.
<clown> RESOLVED: Leave the UIA Express mappings in the
Core-AAM as they are for ARIA 1.1, with potential bug fixes.
RESOLUTION: Leave the UIA Express mappings in the Core-AAM as
they are for ARIA 1.1, with potential bug fixes.
<clown> trackbot, close action-1621
<trackbot> Closed action-1621.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to implement WebDriver a11y testing for
UIA [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to take the concept of a11y testiing in
WebDriver to the WebDriver group. [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie hooked up ATK/AT-SPI to webDriver
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Rich to send a note to James Craig about test
automation with WebDriver [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
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