Re: Managed states related to aria states (was "Re: [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Agenda Tue Feb 24 2015").

OK documenting all managed states sounds good.
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
wrote:

> On 2015-03-17 11:58 AM, david bolter wrote:
>
>> Sure, but the list wanted here is to be scoped to ARIA. ...
>>
>
> No, based on our previous meetings, we had decided that the list wanted is
> scoped to AAPI states -- we had progressed that far at least.  The relevant
> text in the mapping spec [1] states (my emphasis), "[User agents compute
> managed states] in the same way as for ordinary elements that *do not have
> WAI-ARIA attributes* present.",
>
>  To resolve this action it might be easiest for us to document all managed
>> states (perhaps with Dominic etc) and then pick out the ARIA specific cases.
>>
>
> We had decided to resolve this issue by starting with documenting all
> managed states,  Yes, it might be useful thereafter to point out which ones
> are covered by ARIA, but we agreed to produce a complete list of managed
> states to begin with.
>
>
> On 2015-03-17 11:40 AM, Alexander Surkov wrote:
>
>> If you don't want describe things in HTML terms then you need to have
>> sort of universal neutral language. Not sure how to approach to it.
>>
>
> Right, I don't want to describe things in HTML.  The current text does not
> describe things in HTML terms.  Regarding a neutral language, that's what I
> was saying earlier, when I wrote:
>
>  A second problem with the current text is that the states it does list
>> are all MSAA states.  There needs to be a neutral way to express these
>> states since it's is not just about a user agent managing MSAA states.
>> User agents also manage IA2, ATK, UIA, and/or AXAPI states.  I'm not sure
>> exactly how to pull that off, but I'm thinking about it.
>>
>
>
> [1] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#
> statePropertyMappingGeneralRules, first list item.
>
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