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- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:23:20 -0500
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[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
11 Nov 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly, Joanmarie_Diggs,
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Regrets
Richard_Schwerdtfeger
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION-1185: (Joseph, Cynthia) Review edits: UIA
Express and UIA mappings for role=heading/aria-level
using heading paragraph style.
2. [5]ACTION-1463: (All) Keep getComputedRole() and
getComputedLabel() on radar (methods of Element).
3. [6]ACTION-1442: (All) Mapping for new aria-current:
Create and assign action(s) for core-aam.
4. [7]ACTION-1391/ISSUE-435: (All) Mapping for new
role="text": Create and assign action(s) for core-aam.
5. [8]ACTION-1492/ISSUE-671: (Cynthia, Joseph) Review
Joseph's solution for widgets re: aria-invalid and its
token values.
6. [9]ACTION-1509: (Joseph): Document distinction between
atk and at-spi and why they are combined in core-aam.
7. [10]ACTION-1445/ISSUE-661: (Cynthia) Investigate ideal
mapping for role presentation in tables and lists.
8. [11]Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 11 November 2014
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agneda+ ACTION-1322: (Jon) Make some examples for
aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region).
<scribe> scribenick: joanie
ACTION-1185: (Joseph, Cynthia) Review edits: UIA Express and UIA
mappings for role=heading/aria-level using heading paragraph style.
<clown> action-1185?
<trackbot> action-1185 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Look into UIA
Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading
paragraph style. -- due 2014-10-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1185
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1185
JS: This is request for Cynthia. I put some stuff in role
heading as per action-1185.
<clown>
[14]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-heading
[14]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading
JS: I want to make sure that what I put there is ok.
<clown>
[15]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ar
iaLevel
[15] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaLevel
JS: I put it under (the above).
... If you look at the MSAA and UIA under aria-level, you see
[reads].
CS: That looks good.
RESOLUTION: Close action-1185 as complete.
ACTION-1463: (All) Keep getComputedRole() and getComputedLabel() on
radar (methods of Element).
JS: This is just to keep other people apprised of the
situation.
action-143
<trackbot> action-143 -- Alfred S. Gilman to Approach ChrisW
about visiting PFWG F2F -- due 2008-06-11 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/143
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/143
<clown> action-1143
<trackbot> action-1143 -- Cynthia Shelly to (1) identify what
pattern that invalid is mapped to (2) to see if it's
implemented for widget roles -- due 2013-02-01 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1143
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1143
<clown> action-1463
<trackbot> action-1463 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Keep issue-427
on radar for aapi meetings -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1463
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1463
<clown> issue0427
<clown> issue-427
<trackbot> issue-427 -- Need a way for application to find out
what role has been applied to or computed for an element --
open
<trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/427
JS: This has to do with a couple of new methods on elements.
<clown>
[20]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27294
[20] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27294
JS: The work has been moved to the HTML group.
... James filed the above bug.
... I brought this up because there were a number of associated
actions for each company to talk to their browser teams.
CS: I have an ongoing conversation with the IE team and expect
to have good information soon.
<clown> action-1462?
<trackbot> action-1462 -- Cynthia Shelly to Discuss computed
role with ie team -- due 2014-10-13 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462
JS: That would be 1462. We can reopen it.
... It's now open again and 9 December is the due date.
ACTION-1442: (All) Mapping for new aria-current: Create and assign
action(s) for core-aam.
<clown> action-1442
<trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text
for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false",
related to issue-587 -- due 2014-10-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
JS: There is an aria-current attribute which is nearly written
(the spec text for it)
... We're going to have to put in the accessibility APIs.
... I would like to open actions for Joanie, Cynthia, and David
to explore how to map this in there respective accessibility
APIs.
CS: That makes sense.
JS: [creates actions]
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the proper UIA mappings
for aria-current [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1527 - Investigate the proper uia
mappings for aria-current [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-11-18].
<clown> ACTION: David Bolter to investigate the proper IA2
mappings for aria-current [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1528 - Bolter to investigate the
proper ia2 mappings for aria-current [on David Bolter - due
2014-11-18].
<clown> ACTION: Joanie to investigate the proper ATK/AT-SPI
mappings for aria-current [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1529 - Investigate the proper
atk/at-spi mappings for aria-current [on Joanmarie Diggs - due
2014-11-18].
issue-587
<trackbot> issue-587 -- Consider allowing the aria-selected
state on any focusable element, or add a new attr like
aria-active or aria-current -- open
<trackbot> [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/587
[26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/587
JS: [Associates new actions with issue-587]
... The default due date is Nov 18. You can change it to
whatever you want.
... Although, do you think it will make it into the next
working draft?
CS: That seems iffy. Who is writing it up?
JS: Léonie.
CS: If she's doing it, then it's likely it will make it.
JS: Then we need the mappings in a week.
CS: That is unlikely to happen for UIA. There may be
architectural changes.
... January or February is a more reasonable time frame for me.
JS: [Updates due date to 31 January for Cynthia's]
JD: I will look at ATK to see if this can be reasonably mapped
using existing API.
... If it cannot, I'm tempted to say make it an object
attribute for now.
ACTION-1391/ISSUE-435: (All) Mapping for new role="text": Create and
assign action(s) for core-aam.
JS: There's a new role text.
... Again, we'll need to map it. So I'm proposing that the same
three people investigate it and suggest a mapping for it.
... [Writing up actions]
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate UIA mapping of
role="text" [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1530 - Investigate uia mapping of
role="text" [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-11-18].
<clown> ACTION: David Bolter to investigate IA2 mapping of
role="text" [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1531 - Bolter to investigate ia2
mapping of role="text" [on David Bolter - due 2014-11-18].
<clown> ACTION: Joanie to investigate ATK/AT-SPI mapping of
role="text" [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1532 - Investigate atk/at-spi mapping
of role="text" [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-11-18].
<clown> action-1531?
<trackbot> action-1531 -- David Bolter to Bolter to investigate
ia2 mapping of role="text" -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1531
[30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1531
JS: Does anyone want me to adjust the due dates?
JD: It's worth noting that this role might not apply to just
text.
<clown>
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/011
1.html
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Nov/0111.html
JD: So mapping it directly to an existing platform text role
might not make sense.
... In ATK, we are creating a new "generic/static" role.
JS: Do you want a different due date, Joanie?
JD: No I'm good.
CS: I just updated my and David's actions with a link to the
thread (from the public-pwfg list)
ACTION-1492/ISSUE-671: (Cynthia, Joseph) Review Joseph's solution for
widgets re: aria-invalid and its token values.
<clown> action-1492?
<trackbot> action-1492 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate issue
671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets -- due
2014-09-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1492
[32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1492
JS: This is one that I'm nearly finished with.
... I wrote a response to the issue and proposed changes for
the mapping guide.
... David and James are fine with my proposal.
<clown> Expose 'false' in IsDataValidForForm property
JS: I think Joanie is too.
CS: Yeah, that looks good.
... Exposing false looks better to me.
JS: Ok, that means I can make those edits for 1492 and will do
so sometime in the next week.
ACTION-1509: (Joseph): Document distinction between atk and at-spi
and why they are combined in core-aam.
JS: I've done that! I finished it this morning.
<clown> action-1509
<trackbot> action-1509 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Document
distinction between atk and at-spi and why they are combined in
core-aam -- due 2014-10-27 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1509
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1509
JS: And I think I closed the action already.
... If you want to see it, I'll have to find a link for you.
<clown>
[34]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#in
tro_aapi
[34]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#intro_aapi
JS: This (the above) is close.
... There's a note at the end of that section. [Reads from
note]
... If Joanie wants to look at that, she can do so.
JD: Looks fine to me.
ACTION-1445/ISSUE-661: (Cynthia) Investigate ideal mapping for role
presentation in tables and lists.
<clown> action-1445?
<trackbot> action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the
ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. --
due 2014-08-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
[35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
JS: This came due this week. I'm just wondering how the
progress is.
CS: Give me another week.
<clown> action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2014-10-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[36]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[36] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
JS: This one I need ... I'd really like to get this one
resolved.
... Reminder, you can have describedby point to something with
role="none"
... How do we handle something which points to nothing.
CS: I need to revisit this with the dev.
... Next week.
Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1:
[37]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
[37] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
<clown> action-842?
<trackbot> action-842 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a diagram to
support section 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree -- due 2014-11-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[38]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
[38] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
CS: I made progress on this during TPAC. I need to transfer it
from paper to electronic format.
... December 16th.
<clown> action-1254?
<trackbot> action-1254 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Work with
WebApps working group to ensure that DOM spec states when a
keydown event is consumed/cancelled that the corresponding
keypress event is also cancelled. -- due 2014-10-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[39]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1254
[39] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1254
JS: [Reads over action-1254]
CS: Is this still true? Or is it overcome by events?
JS: I'm seeing there's a couple of notes in here to look for a
test case and test it.
... James Craig thinks it might already work.
CS: I would start with Travis L from Microsoft.
... If there is a test, he'd know where it is
JS: I'll check with him.
... I'll try for two weeks.
<clown> action-1373?
<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case
for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly
on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-10-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[40]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
[40] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
CS: December 16th on this one too.
JS: It sounds like it's just markup.
CS: It is.
<clown> action-1457?
<trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to
create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[41]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457
[41] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457
CS: I think he did that.
<clown> [42]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
[42] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
JS: He added a tracker.
CS: In ARIA 1.0 there was a thing with all the test cases. Did
he create one of those?
JS: [Looks]
<clown> [43]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/
[43] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/
JS: This (above) is the root page for the test harness, and
there's only 1.0 there.
CS: Ok, I'll do that right now.
<scribe> ACTION: Joanie to investigate and possibly create a
minimal/skeleton JavaScript AT-SPI2 listener with the aim of
automating the 1.1 tests. [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1533 - Investigate and possibly
create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the
aim of automating the 1.1 tests. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due
2014-11-18].
<clown> action-1533?
<trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and
possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener
with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2014-11-18 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[45]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
[45] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1533
<clown> action-1492?
<trackbot> action-1492 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate issue
671 and propose a solution that is clear for widgets -- due
2014-09-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[46]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1492
[46] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1492
CS: We looked at that one earlier.
JS: That is my action now. Let me update that.
... I want this one done for next week.
... We've gone over everything that is overdue.
... Floor is open.
<clown> [47]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
[47] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
<clown> [48]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/
[48] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/
[49]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014JulSep/
0071.html
[49]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014JulSep/0071.html
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the proper UIA mappings
for aria-current [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to investigate UIA mapping of role="text"
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: David Bolter to investigate IA2 mapping of
role="text" [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: David Bolter to investigate the proper IA2
mappings for aria-current [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie to investigate and possibly create a
minimal/skeleton JavaScript AT-SPI2 listener with the aim of
automating the 1.1 tests. [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie to investigate ATK/AT-SPI mapping of
role="text" [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie to investigate the proper ATK/AT-SPI
mappings for aria-current [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/11-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
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