- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:04:18 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2014/06/17-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17 Jun 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/06/17-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanie_Diggs, David_Bolter,
Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]News: Heart beat publication released last Thu (Jun
12).
2. [5]News: aria-hasannotation and aria-annotatedby
(https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26106)
.
3. [6]ACTION-1371/ISSUE-618 (Cynthia): IE and single
selection container when item becomes unselected.
4. [7]ACTION-980 (David): Define mappings for managed
aria related states.
5. [8]ACTION-1408 (Joseph): Email jason kiss to ask him
if he could write a section that describes api
differences.
6. [9]ACTION-1409 (Joanie): Monitor progress of new
position/level API.
7. [10]ACTION-1419 (Joanie): Validity of
aria-pressed="mixed".
8. [11]ACTION-1448 (Joanie): Listbox selection
independent of checkbox state.
9. [12]ACTION-1450 (Joseph): Provide link to uia express
for accessibility api reference in section 3 of caam.
10. [13]Bryan's question re: activedescendant and IE:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Ju
n/0059.html
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 17 June 2014
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> Scribenick: joanie
News: Heart beat publication released last Thu (Jun 12).
<clown> [15]http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/
[15] http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/
JS: The heartbeat publication was released last Thursday.
... The document of interest of us is above.
... Notice the title change.
... It is no longer the User Agent Implementation Guide
<clown> www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/
JS: Here's the spec (above)
I am discoed
<clown>
[16]http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/#mapping_role_table
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/#mapping_role_table
News: aria-hasannotation and aria-annotatedby
([17]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26106).
[17] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26106).
JS: We had a great discussion yesterday about MS request for
two new aria properties.
... If you have a piece of text which has an annotation
(author's comment, footnote, etc.)
... You use the hasannotation to specify the type
... And annotatedby for the annotation text.
... A resolution to create spec text was made.
... We'll also need mappings.
... UIA already has mappings
... But the other platform accessibility APIs do not have this
in place yet.
JD: You mean the role or the relationship?
JS: The relationship.
DB: Are there any restrictions on what an annotation can be?
JS: No
DB: Good
JS: One value is "true"
... Annotated by is the ID
<clown> action-1454?
<trackbot> action-1454 -- James Craig to Add aria-hasannotation
attribute with values: comment, footnote, endnote, reference,
insertion, deletion, modification, true, false, more where
aria-hasannotation has only one value at a time -- due
2014-06-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1454
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1454
<clown> issue-655?
<trackbot> issue-655 -- Consider creating annotations roles for
comments, spell-check errors, etc -- closed
<trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/655
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/655
<clown>
[20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014AprJun/
0161.html
[20]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2014AprJun/0161.html
JS: (Reads types of annotations)
... And James N requested more
BG: What is true?
JS: We have an annotation, but don't know what type it is.
... And the annotatedby points to the annotation
... One thing Chris said is the way the implemented it in Word
and PowerPoint online is not put them in the DOM until the user
requests them.
CS: And there's a larger issue around virtual content
... All the people from big companies have this issue
JS: Dojo anticipated this problem with grid.
CS: It is less clear how to address the issue in Word
... We have handled it in the client app, but it's harder for
the web app
... It's different in the annotations working group. They are
talking about annotations between sites. This is within the
document.
... So there is some overlap (e.g. tagging text ranges)
... But the use cases are different
DB: We won't want to shove this into object attributes.
CS: Agrees
JD: Agrees
DB: I sort of like the idea of describing what it has and then
actually pointing to it.
JS: There's one other thing which they came up with which I'm
still mulling over
... You can have multiple notes pointing to the same text
... They handle this with multiple spans.
DB: Where did the range discussion happen?
CS: There was some at Microsoft and some at the annotations
working group
DB: I'll talk to Alex and Marco about this.
ACTION-1371/ISSUE-618 (Cynthia): IE and single selection container
when item becomes unselected.
<clown> action-1371?
<trackbot> action-1371 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what ie
does for single selection container when item becomes
unselected, and create a test case (issue-618). -- due
2014-06-10 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1371
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1371
JS: The action is closed.
CS: I think I sent it to the public list.
<clown>
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2014Jun/0007.
html
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2014Jun/0007.html
JS: And you noted that we need to create a test suite and
harness for 1.1 so you can put this test in.
CS: I was going to wait a couple of weeks before raising this
with Michael as he's busy at the moment.
<clown> action-1457?
<trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to
create 1.1 testharness -- due 1970-01-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457
trackbot, associate action-1457 with issue-618
<trackbot> action-1457 (Ask Michael to create 1.1 testharness)
associated with issue-618.
JS: So we'll leave the issue open, but I won't check it until
the action comes due.
... Related aside, there will be no meeting on 1 July.
ACTION-980 (David): Define mappings for managed aria related states.
action-980?
<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for
managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
arla-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-06-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
ACTION-1408 (Joseph): Email jason kiss to ask him if he could write a
section that describes api differences.
JS: I've not done this yet.
<clown> action-1408?
<trackbot> action-1408 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Send email to
jason kiss to ask him if he could write an aapi section that
describes api differences. -- due 2014-06-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1408
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1408
JS: My thought is to wait until Jason starts joining our
meetings.
... I don't get the sense that this is a high-priority. Does
anyone disagree?
... The HTML people want a section in our document outlining
the differences between the accessibility APIs.
CS: I remember us having something similar to that and we
agreed to remove it a couple of years ago.
DB: I agree this is not high-priority.
(Some discussion about automated testing)
JS: WebKit has this.
DB: I think someone at Google is doing this as well.
CS: There's also a client application that drives the browser.
DB: It would be nice to make something platform agnostic
CS: James C and James N were talking about something similar
<davidb> yeah
<davidb> (getcomputed* [name,role...])
CS: I remember their wanting to have an intermediate layer.
JS: Something like an acid test would be very nice.
DB: This might be something TPG could do.
... We're using our xpcom stuff. I can get you a document that
explain how our testing works.
CS: I would love some automation for our testing harness.
DB: What I'm talking about tests our abstraction.
... This cannot be a priority for my team until we iron out
other things.
ACTION-1409 (Joanie): Monitor progress of new position/level API.
<clown> action-1409?
<trackbot> action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress
of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position,
level, and other api be added
([26]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due
2014-04-15 -- OPEN
[26] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453)
<trackbot>
[27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
JD: There is no update. The issue has stalled on the GNOME
side.
... I will ping Alejandro Piñeiro tomorrow.
ACTION-1419 (Joanie): Validity of aria-pressed="mixed".
<clown> action-1419?
<trackbot> action-1419 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate the
validity of aria-pressed=mixed -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1419
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1419
JD: Having spoken with Joseph about this issue, it seems there
are use cases for it. Therefore, while it might not be ideal
UI, it is possible UI. So from the point of view of ARIA we
need to keep supporting this.
<davidb> +1
JS: I've closed this issue with a note.
ACTION-1448 (Joanie): Listbox selection independent of checkbox
state.
<clown> action-1448?
<trackbot> action-1448 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate
whether or not listbox selection can really be independent of
checkbox state. due 10 june. -- due 2014-06-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1448
[29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1448
JD: This was discussed at the ARIA meeting.
JS: That's right. And after a thorough discussion at that
meeting, the conclusion was to put checkable back in 1.1 for
listboxes.
... So I will close this item.
ACTION-1450 (Joseph): Provide link to uia express for accessibility
api reference in section 3 of caam.
<clown> ACTION-1450?
<trackbot> ACTION-1450 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Provide link to
uia express for accessibility api reference in section 3 of
caam -- due 2014-06-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1450
[30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1450
JS: This was raised last week by Cynthia.
... I will do this.
... What this is is that section 3 of the mapping guide is the
glossary.
... There's a section in there about UIA express.
... There is no link in there.
... Cynthia gave us a link.
... The link will go into both.
... The document processor we use for re-spec uses special
notation for doing references.
... Typing it in is like this:
<clown> [[UIAEXPRESS]]
JS: And then re-spec consults a database and pulls in the URL
for you.
... UIA express is not in that database (yet).
... So I'll have to add it.
... Due date will be the 8th.
Bryan's question re: activedescendant and IE:
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0059.html
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0059.html
JS: Bryan brought this up on the PF public list.
... You seem to be saying aria-activedescendant is working
correctly with Jon's example with IE.
... (Reads from email)
BG: Basically someone brought this up to me.
... There was a bug where it didn't work in IE 11.
... My main question was about the tree construct.
... It was providing weird feedback and I wasn't sure if it was
allowed.
JS: We just lost Bryan.
Group concludes to revisit this next week.
Summary of Action Items
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