- From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:16:09 -0700
- To: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Minutes:
http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
29 Jul 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
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Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter,
Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets
Cynthia_Shelley
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
bgaraventa1979
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to
better indicate invalid inputs.
2. [5]News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides
now on github.
3. [6]News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to
better indicate invalid inputs.
4. [7]SVG accessibility
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 29 July 2014
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agneda+ ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create
1.1. test harness (move date).
<clown> scribenick: bgaraventa1979
take up next agendum
<clown> topic?
<clown> topic?
News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate
invalid inputs.
News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides now on github.
JS: Rich has uploaded the first mapping guide to github
<clown>
[9]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.htm
l
[9] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html
<clown>
[10]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.ht
ml#mapping_role_table
[10] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
JS: doc has the same structure and contents as the core mapping
guide, but role mapping it lists the SVG elements
... it has links back to the core
<clown>
[11]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.ht
ml#mapping_role_table#role-map-a
[11] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
DB: link goes back to the start of the doc in FF and Safari
JS: Link does the same thing in FF
<clown>
[12]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.ht
ml#role-map-a
[12] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg/svg-implementation.html#role-map-a
JS: open the first entery and it has a link that points back to
the core
News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate
invalid inputs.
<clown> issue-651?
<trackbot> issue-651 -- Allow aria-invalid to specify more
types of errors including custom errors -- raised
<trackbot> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/651
JS: James N said aria-invalid needs more information for custom
errors
<clown> issue-669?
<trackbot> issue-669 -- Need ability to differentiate and
reference error messages on invalid form elements -- raised
<trackbot> [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/669
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/669
JS: Rich wants to use role=anotation
... from group discusssion yesterday, anotation isn't the same
thing as an error
... such as a note
... then errors will be treated the same as notes
... I didn't get the impression that everybody agreed on note
... we left it open for more research, James N is going to look
into patterns, Rich will do the same for IBM
... Others will do the same for feedback
<clown>
[15]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
[15] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
JS: I looked into the mapping guide, and pointed out that we
already have a default value for invalid, such as
aria-invalid="it's Matt's fault" and it maps correctly in the
accessibility tree, verified in Safari
... you could use this mapping technique to add custom values,
but there is a lot of resistance
<clown> issue-671?
<trackbot> issue-671 -- UAIG should expose aria-invalid as
token values (as defined per spec), not strings. -- raised
<trackbot> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
<clown>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/008
1.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
JS: so James Craig raised the relevant issue
... I proposed for UIA, instead of exposing the unknown value,
map it to false
... for Iaccessible2 and ATK, change to invalid:true as the
text attribute
... and for AXAPI: set axinvalid to true
... so I posed the question, what are those text attributes
DB: I agree with Marco
JS: Will wait on JD for more input
... anything further?
<clown>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/008
1.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0081.html
<clown>
[19]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
[19] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
RS: so what would you do with aria-invalid on a slect?
<clown> <select aria-invalid="true" ...>
DB: not sure
RS: we need to figure out what is done because there is no text
attribute
... I can understand it for some fields that support the
attribute, but not on those that don't support a text attribute
BG: is aria-invalid acceptable as being inheritable?
JS: no
<clown> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/671
RS: will file an issue against aria-invalid and mapping to
widgets
JS: invalid is a state, not an object
<clown>
[21]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
[21] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaInvalidUnknown
<clown> Set IA2_STATE_INVALID_ENTRY
<clown> Expose the value as a text attribute
JS: you set the state, and expose it as a text attribute
... changes in spec are pending David's investigation
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: david Investigate issue 671 and
propose a solution that is clear for widgets [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1492 - Investigate issue 671 and
propose a solution that is clear for widgets [on David Bolter -
due 2014-08-05].
JS: before we move on, I will not be here for the next two
weeks
... the 5th and 12th specifically, back for the 19th
... do you want to pospone meetings?
DB: that sounds good to wait till the 19th
SVG accessibility
DB: genrally discussing SVG mappings
RS: we need to work on the name computation, plus on other
aspects further
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: david Investigate issue 671 and propose a
solution that is clear for widgets [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
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agenda: this
agenda+ News: First version of SVG2 and HTML mapping guides now on github.
agenda+ News: ISSUE-651/ISSUE-669: (All) Mechanisms to better indicate
invalid inputs.
agenda+ News: ISSUE-649: (All) Aria property to indicate that widget
starts media.
agneda+ ACTION-1457: (Cynthia) Ask Michael to create 1.1. test harness
(move date).
agenda+ Processing issues/actions:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
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