- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:49:39 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2014/07/22-aapi-minutes.html Plain text follows: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 22 Jul 2014 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/22-aapi-irc Attendees Present David_Bolter, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer Regrets Joanie_Diggs Chair Joseph_Scheuhammer Scribe davidb Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]News: ACTION-1457: (All) New test plan tracker product for ARIA 1.1. 2. [5]News: ISSUE-397: (All) Need a way to specify an indeterminate set size. 3. [6]News: ISSUE-610: (All) Comboboxes should allow complex children elements. 4. [7]ACTION-1115/ACTION-1478: (All) Cynthia confirms that MS engineers do not object to "SHOULD NOT". 5. [8]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for aria-describedby in 5.5.1 table where referenced accessible is not in the a11y tree. 6. [9]ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for rowgroup role. 7. [10]ACTION-1373: (Cynthia): Create test case for explicit/implicit mix of aria-posinset and aria-setsize. 8. [11]ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. 9. [12]Processing actions/issues: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 10. [13]be done. * [14]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 22 July 2014 <clown> agenda: this lost ya <clown> scribenick: davidb News: ACTION-1457: (All) New test plan tracker product for ARIA 1.1. <clown> action-1457 <trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- OPEN <trackbot> [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457 [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457 <clown> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25 [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25 JS: cynthia had a test case for aria 1.1 but nowhere to put it, asked Michael about that and he created a test plan product in tracker and we can ask cynthia to try putting it there. DB: sounds like a plan leaving the action open... News: ISSUE-397: (All) Need a way to specify an indeterminate set size. <clown> issue-387 <trackbot> issue-387 -- Make sure that the input placeholder attribute be mapped to the platform accessibility API as the accessible description. -- raised <trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/387 [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/387 <clown> issue-397 <trackbot> issue-397 -- Need a way to specify an indeterminate set size -- open <trackbot> [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397 [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397 <clown> aria-setsize="98+" JS: there are lots of actions around this to see about details of implementation ... it is a proposal <clown> aria-setsize="indeterminate" DB: would aria-setsize="+" be legal? (discussion) News: ISSUE-610: (All) Comboboxes should allow complex children elements. <clown> issue-610 <trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex children elements -- open <trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610 [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610 JS: actual use case is popup a combobox produces a tree, and a search field for searching within the tree DB: i think we should allow anything JS: jcraig warns the keyboard model will be difficult BG: how do you know which is which... (discusses some complexity, user context stuff) JS: screen reader could change mode based on where it thinks it is (e.g. search field) BG: the mechanisms get confused JS: my conclusion is that screen readers need to get with it DB: I concur BG: how do you know if you've moved outside the role that has selectable items JS: the DOM structure might tell us (note I am condensing the discussion using some of my own words) JS: note gtk combobox expects a treeview ... a listbox is a degenerate treeview BG: consider grids, with a date picker as well <clown> aria-hasmanagedfocus DB: we can't always fit things into the current screen reader model JS: aria-hasmanagedfocus would tell screen readers to take a hands off approach to keyboard handling ACTION-1115/ACTION-1478: (All) Cynthia confirms that MS engineers do not object to "SHOULD NOT". <clown> action-1478 <trackbot> action-1478 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Check with ie team whether statement re: action-1115, "user agents must not expose a custom role in msaa's accrole property." can be a should not. -- due 2014-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478 [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478 JS: Mozilla objected to 'MUST NOT' Microsoft is okay with 'SHOULD NOT' DB: great JS: I've closed it ... I will also close 1115 - done ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for aria-describedby in 5.5.1 table where referenced accessible is not in the a11y tree. <clown> ACTION-1104 <trackbot> ACTION-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104 [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104 note: we're shifting due dates for a bunch of cynthia's actions ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for rowgroup role. <clown> action-1372 <trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-07-01 -- OPEN <trackbot> [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372 [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372 JS: will change date ACTION-1373: (Cynthia): Create test case for explicit/implicit mix of aria-posinset and aria-setsize. <clown> action-1373 <trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-07-01 -- OPEN <trackbot> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373 [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373 JS: updates date ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. <clown> action-1445 <trackbot> action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-06-17 -- OPEN <trackbot> [24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445 [24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445 JS: changed Processing actions/issues: [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 <clown> action-980? <trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset, arla-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5 bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-07-22 -- OPEN <trackbot> [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980 [26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980 JS: updated date be done. 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