Minutes: [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Tue Jul 22 2014

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            Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                               22 Jul 2014

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Attendees

    Present
           David_Bolter, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly,
           Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Regrets
           Joanie_Diggs

    Chair
           Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Scribe
           davidb

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]News: ACTION-1457: (All) New test plan tracker
             product for ARIA 1.1.
          2. [5]News: ISSUE-397: (All) Need a way to specify an
             indeterminate set size.
          3. [6]News: ISSUE-610: (All) Comboboxes should allow
             complex children elements.
          4. [7]ACTION-1115/ACTION-1478: (All) Cynthia confirms
             that MS engineers do not object to "SHOULD NOT".
          5. [8]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for
             aria-describedby in 5.5.1 table where referenced
             accessible is not in the a11y tree.
          6. [9]ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for
             rowgroup role.
          7. [10]ACTION-1373: (Cynthia): Create test case for
             explicit/implicit mix of aria-posinset and
             aria-setsize.
          8. [11]ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for role
             presentation in tables and lists.
          9. [12]Processing actions/issues:
             https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
         10. [13]be done.
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 22 July 2014

    <clown> agenda: this

    lost ya

    <clown> scribenick: davidb

News: ACTION-1457: (All) New test plan tracker product for ARIA 1.1.

    <clown> action-1457

    <trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to
    create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457

      [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457

    <clown> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25

      [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25

    JS: cynthia had a test case for aria 1.1 but nowhere to put it,
    asked Michael about that and he created a test plan product in
    tracker and we can ask cynthia to try putting it there.

    DB: sounds like a plan

    leaving the action open...

News: ISSUE-397: (All) Need a way to specify an indeterminate set
size.

    <clown> issue-387

    <trackbot> issue-387 -- Make sure that the input placeholder
    attribute be mapped to the platform accessibility API as the
    accessible description. -- raised

    <trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/387

      [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/387

    <clown> issue-397

    <trackbot> issue-397 -- Need a way to specify an indeterminate
    set size -- open

    <trackbot> [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397

      [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397

    <clown> aria-setsize="98+"

    JS: there are lots of actions around this to see about details
    of implementation
    ... it is a proposal

    <clown> aria-setsize="indeterminate"

    DB: would aria-setsize="+" be legal?

    (discussion)

News: ISSUE-610: (All) Comboboxes should allow complex children
elements.

    <clown> issue-610

    <trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex
    children elements -- open

    <trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610

      [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610

    JS: actual use case is popup a combobox produces a tree, and a
    search field for searching within the tree

    DB: i think we should allow anything

    JS: jcraig warns the keyboard model will be difficult

    BG: how do you know which is which... (discusses some
    complexity, user context stuff)

    JS: screen reader could change mode based on where it thinks it
    is (e.g. search field)

    BG: the mechanisms get confused

    JS: my conclusion is that screen readers need to get with it

    DB: I concur

    BG: how do you know if you've moved outside the role that has
    selectable items

    JS: the DOM structure might tell us

    (note I am condensing the discussion using some of my own
    words)

    JS: note gtk combobox expects a treeview
    ... a listbox is a degenerate treeview

    BG: consider grids, with a date picker as well

    <clown> aria-hasmanagedfocus

    DB: we can't always fit things into the current screen reader
    model

    JS: aria-hasmanagedfocus would tell screen readers to take a
    hands off approach to keyboard handling

ACTION-1115/ACTION-1478: (All) Cynthia confirms that MS engineers do
not object to "SHOULD NOT".

    <clown> action-1478

    <trackbot> action-1478 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Check with ie
    team whether statement re: action-1115, "user agents must not
    expose a custom role in msaa's accrole property." can be a
    should not. -- due 2014-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478

      [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478

    JS: Mozilla objected to 'MUST NOT' Microsoft is okay with
    'SHOULD NOT'

    DB: great

    JS: I've closed it
    ... I will also close 1115 - done

ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for aria-describedby in 5.5.1
table where referenced accessible is not in the a11y tree.

    <clown> ACTION-1104

    <trackbot> ACTION-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
    accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
    section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
    accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
    due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

      [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104

    note: we're shifting due dates for a bunch of cynthia's actions

ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for rowgroup role.

    <clown> action-1372

    <trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case,
    if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-07-01
    -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372

      [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372

    JS: will change date

ACTION-1373: (Cynthia): Create test case for explicit/implicit mix of
aria-posinset and aria-setsize.

    <clown> action-1373

    <trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case
    for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly
    on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-07-01 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373

      [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373

    JS: updates date

ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for role presentation in tables
and lists.

    <clown> action-1445

    <trackbot> action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the
    ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. --
    due 2014-06-17 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445

      [24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445

    JS: changed

Processing actions/issues:
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23

      [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23

    <clown> action-980?

    <trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for
    managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
    arla-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
    bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-07-22 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

      [26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

    JS: updated date

be done.

Summary of Action Items

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