- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:49:39 -0400
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[1]W3C
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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
22 Jul 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/22-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
David_Bolter, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly,
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Regrets
Joanie_Diggs
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
davidb
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]News: ACTION-1457: (All) New test plan tracker
product for ARIA 1.1.
2. [5]News: ISSUE-397: (All) Need a way to specify an
indeterminate set size.
3. [6]News: ISSUE-610: (All) Comboboxes should allow
complex children elements.
4. [7]ACTION-1115/ACTION-1478: (All) Cynthia confirms
that MS engineers do not object to "SHOULD NOT".
5. [8]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for
aria-describedby in 5.5.1 table where referenced
accessible is not in the a11y tree.
6. [9]ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for
rowgroup role.
7. [10]ACTION-1373: (Cynthia): Create test case for
explicit/implicit mix of aria-posinset and
aria-setsize.
8. [11]ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for role
presentation in tables and lists.
9. [12]Processing actions/issues:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
10. [13]be done.
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 22 July 2014
<clown> agenda: this
lost ya
<clown> scribenick: davidb
News: ACTION-1457: (All) New test plan tracker product for ARIA 1.1.
<clown> action-1457
<trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to
create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1457
<clown> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
JS: cynthia had a test case for aria 1.1 but nowhere to put it,
asked Michael about that and he created a test plan product in
tracker and we can ask cynthia to try putting it there.
DB: sounds like a plan
leaving the action open...
News: ISSUE-397: (All) Need a way to specify an indeterminate set
size.
<clown> issue-387
<trackbot> issue-387 -- Make sure that the input placeholder
attribute be mapped to the platform accessibility API as the
accessible description. -- raised
<trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/387
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/387
<clown> issue-397
<trackbot> issue-397 -- Need a way to specify an indeterminate
set size -- open
<trackbot> [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397
<clown> aria-setsize="98+"
JS: there are lots of actions around this to see about details
of implementation
... it is a proposal
<clown> aria-setsize="indeterminate"
DB: would aria-setsize="+" be legal?
(discussion)
News: ISSUE-610: (All) Comboboxes should allow complex children
elements.
<clown> issue-610
<trackbot> issue-610 -- Comboboxes should allow complex
children elements -- open
<trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/610
JS: actual use case is popup a combobox produces a tree, and a
search field for searching within the tree
DB: i think we should allow anything
JS: jcraig warns the keyboard model will be difficult
BG: how do you know which is which... (discusses some
complexity, user context stuff)
JS: screen reader could change mode based on where it thinks it
is (e.g. search field)
BG: the mechanisms get confused
JS: my conclusion is that screen readers need to get with it
DB: I concur
BG: how do you know if you've moved outside the role that has
selectable items
JS: the DOM structure might tell us
(note I am condensing the discussion using some of my own
words)
JS: note gtk combobox expects a treeview
... a listbox is a degenerate treeview
BG: consider grids, with a date picker as well
<clown> aria-hasmanagedfocus
DB: we can't always fit things into the current screen reader
model
JS: aria-hasmanagedfocus would tell screen readers to take a
hands off approach to keyboard handling
ACTION-1115/ACTION-1478: (All) Cynthia confirms that MS engineers do
not object to "SHOULD NOT".
<clown> action-1478
<trackbot> action-1478 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Check with ie
team whether statement re: action-1115, "user agents must not
expose a custom role in msaa's accrole property." can be a
should not. -- due 2014-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478
JS: Mozilla objected to 'MUST NOT' Microsoft is okay with
'SHOULD NOT'
DB: great
JS: I've closed it
... I will also close 1115 - done
ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for aria-describedby in 5.5.1
table where referenced accessible is not in the a11y tree.
<clown> ACTION-1104
<trackbot> ACTION-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
note: we're shifting due dates for a bunch of cynthia's actions
ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for rowgroup role.
<clown> action-1372
<trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case,
if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-07-01
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
JS: will change date
ACTION-1373: (Cynthia): Create test case for explicit/implicit mix of
aria-posinset and aria-setsize.
<clown> action-1373
<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case
for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly
on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
JS: updates date
ACTION-1445: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for role presentation in tables
and lists.
<clown> action-1445
<trackbot> action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the
ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. --
due 2014-06-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
JS: changed
Processing actions/issues:
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
<clown> action-980?
<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for
managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
arla-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-07-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
[26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
JS: updated date
be done.
Summary of Action Items
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