- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:16:16 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
24 Sep 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Sep/0008.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/09/24-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Michael_Cooper
Regrets
David_Bolter
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ISSUE-612
2. [6]ACTION-1255
3. [7]ACTION-1257
4. [8]ACTION-1262
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 24 September 2013
RRSAgent: make log public
<scribe> scribenick: clown
topic ACTION-1256
ACTION-1256?
<trackbot> ACTION-1256 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify msaa+uia
express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use
msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia
togglepattern. -- due 2013-09-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
[10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
[11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_
table
[11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
JS: we discussed this last week.
... Cynthia requested changes.
... I made the changes. Can you approve of them?
... <desribes the changes>
CS: That looks good, we should probably copy it to the UIA
column.
JS: Can we make that an ARIA 1.1 issue?
CS: Yes, let's do that.
resolved: close ACTION-1256
ISSUE-612
ISSUE-612?
<trackbot> ISSUE-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position.
should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain.
see uaig:
[12]http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_addit
ional_position and test case 69:
[13]https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes --
open
[12] http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position
[13] https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes
<trackbot> [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
JS: I think this is a david issue, and he's not here.
... Suggest we postpone this.
ACTION-1255
ACTION-1255?
<trackbot> ACTION-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle
patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due
2013-09-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
CS: I was working on it, but I haven't finished it.
... give me until friday.
ACTION-1257
ACTION-1257?
<trackbot> ACTION-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and
ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-24
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
CS: Not done yet.
... move to Friday also.
Topci: ACTION-1219
ACTION-1219?
<trackbot> ACTION-1219 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG: passive
RFC requirement: two instances of "The state change events MAY
be trimmed out for performance" Who is this requirement for?
Authors? UA? AT? Be specific. What does "trimmed out" mean? Be
specific. -- due 2013-05-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219
[18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_selection
[18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
JS: It's the second table dealing with multiselectable
containers.
... Suggesting for the third cell in the MSAA column
"User agent MAY fire a EVENT_OBJECT_SELECTIONWITHIN. If this
event is fired the other events noted above MAY be trimmed out
for performance."
CS: I think I'm okay with that, but just check with David.
JS: I will check with david and alex.
The user agent MAY fire a single object::selection_changed on
the container vs. multiple for performance reasons
CS: Sounds fine to me.
... I remember it was david who cared a lot about these.
ACTION-1262
ACTION-1262?
<trackbot> ACTION-1262 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update 4.1.
focus states and events table to clarify differences between
platforms and dom/desktop/at focus.
[19]http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_e
vent_table -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
[19] http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
<trackbot>
[20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1262
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1262
[21]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_e
vent_table
[21] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
JS: James Craig was intially against these events because he
thought there were dom focus events.
... I explained that for MSAA, UIA, and ATK/AT-SPI, that these
are aapi focus events.
... he wants that made perferectly clear.
... He also says that there is no distinction on the Mac under
OS X a11y API.
CS: I think that we actually should throw DOM events.
... But it doesn't work this way.
<cyns> CS: I know that's not what's in ARIA 1.0, however
JS: I think this is for the active descendant...
<cyns> CS: So, if James wants a modification to the mac column,
I'm ok with that
JS: Actually, I think this is ambiguous: if it is an actve
descendant scenario, these are aapi events. If a tabindex
scenario, then DOM focus and these AAPI focus events are in
sync.
CS: Doesn't the table already say, in the opening sentence,
that these are a11y api events?
JS: Good point.
CS: Ask James to propose text. It seems really clear to me
already.
<cyns> CS: if the problem is that AAPI and DOM events are the
same thing on Mac, maybe the right answer is for the Mac column
to say "no mapping" or "no event"
<cyns> CS: these events are separate on teh other platforms,
and devs on those platforms won't be confused.
<cyns> CS: we could add a redundant sentence before the table,
though I do think it's quite clear already
JS: Okay. I will bring it up at next Monday's call (if time).
zakim Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
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regrests: David_Bolter
Summary of Action Items
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