- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:18:41 -0400
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[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
10 Sep 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Sep/0003.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/09/10-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
David_Bolter, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly,
Michael_Cooper
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Actions triage.
* [6]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 10 September 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
Actions triage.
[7]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
[7] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
action-983?
<trackbot> action-983 -- David Bolter to Create MSAA/IA2
special case test cases from existing generated test cases for
the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [8]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983
[8] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983
JS: I wonder if Michael has an opinion.
MC: when I created the test cases, it auto generated them from
the table.
... there are some test cases where only the first line was put
in.
... But, when I looked at it recently, it looked like it was
all there.
... I'm no sure if this action is to just check the
auto-generated tests.
CS: this action was initiated at a face-to-face.
MC: to the best of my knowledge, this is either overcome by
events or completed by someone.
CS: I think we should call this done. David?
DB: we can re-open if we are wrong.
resolved: close action-983 as done.
<MichaelC> action-983: we think this is done
<trackbot> Notes added to action-983 Create MSAA/IA2 special
case test cases from existing generated test cases for the
tables..
<MichaelC> close action-983
<trackbot> Closed action-983.
action-1102?
<trackbot> action-1102 -- David Bolter to Get someone to look
at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these
be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due
2012-07-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[9]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102
[9] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102
[10]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_
table
[10] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
DB: one for alert
JS: alertdialog
... and button
DB: I think if these are here, it was an agreement reached in
one of these meetings.
[11]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-aapi-minutes#item02
[11] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-aapi-minutes#item02
JS: this comes from an old AAPI meeting.
... the question is: if you add aria-haspopup to a button, does
it become a menubutton?
... it looks like the action was partly done.
DB: what is the import of removing the should on aria-pressed
for button?
JS: it becomes a MUST and that incurs a test case.
DB: I think it should be okay.
... cynthia and I are leaning to just leaving it.
JS: I think it is a must, but I'm not going to fall on my sword
for it.
... the spec states that aria-pressed on a button role turns it
into a toggle button.
... so why are we wishy-washy with a SHOULD here?
DB: I think this goes back to when we were trying to make IE
and FF interoperable.
<davidb> DB: we had a normalized MSAA column
CS: If there is extra work, I think we should leave it or make
it 1.1
JS: MIchael have an opinion.
CS: that's just a get this thing done.
DB: I see it as small.
... If making it normative made things more accessible, I'd be
for making this normative.
resolved; move the action to 1.1.
<davidb> action-1145?
<trackbot> action-1145 -- David Bolter to Replace the "should
be" the sentence "The structure should be reflected in the
accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". -- due
2013-01-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1145
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1145
DB: Alex agreed to remove the statement.
JS: It looks like it was already deleted from aria-level
DB: can we delete from aria-posinset
JS: Yes, give me the action to remove that sentence from
aria-posinset.
... let's continue from the top with Cynthia actions.
action-982?
<trackbot> action-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create UIA special
case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due
2013-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
CS: I think this is done. Rich and I did a bunch of these.
... we may have missed some, but I think it's done.
JS: close it?
CS: yes.
resolved: Close action 982 as complete.
action-982: we think this is done
<trackbot> Notes added to action-982 Create UIA special case
test cases from existing generated test cases..
close action-982
<trackbot> Closed action-982.
action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
CS: in UIA express, we just throw it in the legacy field.
... We don't have an implementation of pure UIA yet, so push it
to aria 1.1
Resolved: move action 1104 to aria 1.1
action-1104: moving to aria 1.1
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1104 Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies.
action-1255?
<trackbot> action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle
patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due
2013-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
CS: have not got to that yet, but I want to.
resolved: move due date to the 17th.
action-1257?
<trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and
ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-03
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
issue-595?
<trackbot> issue-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs.
gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- open
<trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
resolved: move due date to a week from now.
action-1106?
<trackbot> action-1106 -- Michael Cooper to Sort UA behaviour
test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases -- due
2012-08-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1106
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1106
JS: I think you have done that.
MC: having separated the test suites, I think this might be
done. Let me look at the minutes.
... we can consider this done. All the aria test cases are in
the AAPI inspection test. The UAIG are in the separate suite.
... let me take another quick look.
... skimming the test cases to see if there is anything
missing.
... there may be a few tests, so we should keep the action
open.
JS: could you add a note to the action, so we don't forget why
we are keeping it open?
MC: okay.
<MichaelC> action-1106: Most of the ARIA tests (test suite 1)
are AAPI but there are a few that might be non AAPI
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test
cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases.
<MichaelC> action-1106: could move those to test suite 2
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test
cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases.
JS: change the due date?
MC: I'll set it to next Tuesday.
<MichaelC> action-1106 due 17 Sept
<trackbot> Set action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases
separately from AAPI inspection test cases due date to
2013-09-17.
MC: I suspect there are tests that have been marked invalid.
action-1230?
<trackbot> action-1230 -- Michael Cooper to Ask Director if we
have to test every cell in the ARIA UAIG, or if we can just do
the columns, and if the UIA column can be considered
implementable by precedent from surrounding columns
particularly UIA Express -- due 2013-06-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1230
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1230
MC: the action is completed, but still in process of dealing
with it.
... we informally think we can go forward with the UIA column
blank.
JS: it's not going to change the UAIG, is it?
MC: it's possible. We might have to remove the UIA column.
... it will be prudent to mark that column at risk.
... so be prepared to remove it.
... but try not to.
CS: some of the UIA express does the UIA mapping.
MC: they are similar, but are they the same mapping layer.
CS: they are the same mapping layer, and there is a bridge
between them.
MC: we'll need that as part of what we tell the director.
action-1188?
<trackbot> action-1188 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG links to
hard-dated ARIA draft (wai-aria-20110118) should link to TR
latest -- due 2013-04-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1188
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1188
JS: it was noticed that the link to aria spec is the CR version
of the spec.
... James suggested it link to the current editor's draft.
... but, I noticed the text around link clearly state "CR" and
gives a date about it.
MC: I think the generator goes through and attempts to update
the links.
... pointing to the editor's is better for some ways.
... but pointing to the CR is best when the UAIG goes on TR.
... we have been careful to make just editorial changes to the
spec.
... you could assign the action to me so that the generator
creates the proper links.
resolved: re-assing action −1188 to MIchael as it is a build
script problem.
action-1219?
<trackbot> action-1219 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG: passive
RFC requirement: two instances of "The state change events MAY
be trimmed out for performance" Who is this requirement for?
Authors? UA? AT? Be specific. What does "trimmed out" mean? Be
specific. -- due 2013-05-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219
[22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_selection
[22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
CS: it's a MAY. We don't need to worry about.
JS: I will email alex/david about it.
CS: unless we want to change the MAY to a MUST or MUST NOT,
don't worry about. it.
action-1259?
<trackbot> action-1259 -- Michael Cooper to File a bug against
trackbot to post a link in the irc to the trackbot-created
actions. ;-) -- due 2013-09-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1259
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1259
action-1256?
<trackbot> action-1256 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify msaa+uia
express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use
msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia
togglepattern. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
JS: kind of tricky — need to add this text to both the
aria-checked section and the radio/menuitemradio section.
Should I do that?
CS: sounds okay to me.
JS: okay, that is how I'll do it.
... making a note in the action...
action-1256: add to radio/menuitemradio roles (paraphrase) "See
aria-selected for mapping aria-checked values for radio button
role". Similarly for menuitemradio role. add to aria-checked
(paraphrase) see aria-selected for radio and menuitemradio
roles.
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1256 Modify msaa+uia express
entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa
selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia
togglepattern..
s/we have separating the test suites/we have separated the test
suties/
Summary of Action Items
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