- From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:30:09 -0800
- To: wai-xtech@w3.org, Protocols and Formats Working Group WG <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Please find attached minutes from this mornings meeting both as text
(below) and in the following link (as html).
http://www.w3.org/2012/02/20-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
Minutes from the last meeting of 2012/02/06 which were not previously
sent out to the list can also be found at
http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
Note - Zakim was not logging attendance so no attendees are noted for
this week's meeting.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
HTML Techniques Task Force
20 Feb 2012
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/20-html-techs-tf-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
Joshue
Scribe
James, jnurthen
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Review submitted Techniques
2. [5]Review of HTML5 Required Technique (URI above)
* [6]Summary of Action Items
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<Joshue108> scribeNick: James
<jnurthen> scribeNick: jnurthen
Review submitted Techniques
JOC: A couple of techiques submitted
... I have started a couple of draft techniques
<DavidTodd>
[7]http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_the_html5_r
equired_attribute_to_indicate_that_a_value_is_required_in_an_input_f
ield
[7] http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_the_html5_required_attribute_to_indicate_that_a_value_is_required_in_an_input_field
Review of HTML5 Required Technique (URI above)
LGR: Trace wiki - will be there until it stops working
... better to use the w3c wiki - but if you have credetntials can
use it
JOC: be aware that not everyone can edit on the trace wiki
DT: Just used this because this is what I had available
... just let me know where tyo transfer it to
JOC: Straightforward technique
DM: Whole user agent support issue
... There are a whole bunch of different ways of specifying required
... want a few examples rather than one
JN: as long as our exmaples are correct I think that is enough
... isn it enough to link to the spec?
... I think we should use best practice
LGR: don't want to jst refer to the spec
JOC: Both syntaxes are correct
Adam: can't be comprehensive - but as developers are used to using
values for their attributes may want to add this here
JOC: issue of multiple syntaxes is going to come up again
Adam: If using required by iteslf should also include the other
required is the same as required="true" which equals
required="false" which equals required=0
Adam: required="required" seems to be used
<Loretta> Is this the right link?
[8]http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#attr-select-required
[8] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#attr-select-required
LGR: asking about relationship to aria-required
JN: I think if in the same techiqiue we confuse the user aganet
support
[9]http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/
[9] http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/
??: Is this AT only or all user agents?
JOC: some are pretty accessible
LGR: what is is supposed to be doing according to the spec?
JOC: in some places the spec defines the user experience but on
other places it doesn't
LGR: wouldn't expect to define the visual experience but would
perhaps expect that if trying to submit it would fail
<Joshue108>
[10]http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-input-element-attributes.html#
the-required-attribute
[10] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-input-element-attributes.html#the-required-attribute
[11]http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-microsyntaxes.html#boolean-att
ribute
[11] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-microsyntaxes.html#boolean-attribute
JN: what are we going to do for boolean attributes in html5? Both
styles or one?
JOC: I think we should think about it a little more
<David> [12]http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/required.html
[12] http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/required.html
LGR: we should include the link to the correct place in the spec but
should also help people in plain english
... Is it clear what kind of modifications need doing?
DT: have a few notes about UA support, test procedure and ....
LGR: needs some work on the test prodedure
Adam: we assume that the presence of the required attribute
satisfies the success criteria
DT: poerhaps take out step number 2
<David> [13]http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/html5_forms.html
[13] http://www.eramp.com/david/html5/html5_forms.html
JN: depends what success criteria you are trying to meet
LGR: This could also be a 3.3.2 techique with user agent notes
<Loretta> But 3.3.2 would still need a label, in addition.
LGR: sounding less like a 3.3.2 candidate even for partial
Adam: would like to see more visual discussion
JOC: can add CSS to the field.
LGR: could do a sufficient technique for this - need to look at H90
<Loretta> [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H90.html could be a
model for how to write a 3.2.2 technique.
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H90.html
<Loretta> It would need CSS and label as well as required attribute.
LGR: H90 discusses what the group thought was minimally acceptable
<Loretta> For each indicator of required status that is not provided
in text, check that the meaning of the indicator is explained before
the form control that uses it.
LGR: concern is that * is easy to miss
JOC: I like having the text required in the label
JN: I think this should be a seperate technique
LGR: agree
Summary of Action Items
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