Re: ARIA and WebAnywhere [FWD]

Hi Jeff,

Regarding IE6. Despite the industry use I would just stop supporting it. I
was told Freedom Scientific no longer will support IE 6 as of JAWS 12.

Polling is a dead end - I agree.

We had not addressed the web recorder use case.

Rich

Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group



From:	"Jeffrey P. Bigham" <jbigham@cs.rochester.edu>
To:	Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc:	"Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, cooper@w3.org,
            janina@rednote.net, ladner@cs.washington.edu, wai-xtech@w3.org
Date:	11/08/2010 04:03 PM
Subject:	Re: ARIA and WebAnywhere [FWD]
Sent by:	jeffrey.bigham@gmail.com



Hi Rich,

DOM Mutation Events would be particularly useful.

We had brainstormed ideas for ways in which we might implement ARIA in
WebAnywhere on browsers that do not support the mutation events (for
instance, on the stubbornly persistent IE 6 base), and may have some
inefficient work-arounds.  For instance, we have done limited experiments
on polling content to detect when it has changed.  These work-arounds are
incredibly inefficient.

Beyond cloud-based AT like WebAnywhere, mutation events are incredibly
useful for the various available web recorders.  We've also done some work
with Stony Brook University on inferring semantics of dynamic page elements
which relies on detecting page changes.

Thanks,
Jeff

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
wrote:
  Thank you Gregory.

  Jeff,

  When you implement WAI-ARIA support are there any browser dependencies,
  such as DOM Mutation Events, that you would be reliant on to report
  things like ARIA state change information?

  There has been discussion about removing Mutation Events, for performance
  reasons, from browsers over time.

  Rich


  Rich Schwerdtfeger
  CTO Accessibility Software Group

  Inactive hide details for "Gregory J. Rosmaita" ---11/08/2010 10:37:52
  AM---aloha, rich!  here is a response to my query about "Gregory J.
  Rosmaita" ---11/08/2010 10:37:52 AM---aloha, rich! here is a response to
  my query about webanywhere -- the reply hasn't hit the wai-xtech

  From: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
  To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
  Cc: janina@rednote.net, cooper@w3.org
  Date: 11/08/2010 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: ARIA and WebAnywhere [FWD]



  aloha, rich!  here is a response to my query about webanywhere -- the
  reply hasn't hit the wai-xtech archives yet, so i thought i'd forward
  this to you, gregory.

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  From: "Jeffrey P. Bigham" <jbigham@cs.rochester.edu>
  To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
  Cc: cmprince@cs.washington.edu, ladner@cs.washington.edu,
  wai-xtech@w3.org
  Sent: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:42:14 -0500
  Subject: Re: ARIA and WebAnywhere

  Hi Gregory,

  WebAnywhere does not currently support ARIA, but we do have plans to
  add this functionality.  We have done initial feasibility studies that
  indicate that this is possible.

  What kind of information would be most useful for your group?

  Thanks,
  -Jeff

  On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
  wrote:
  > note: this post has been sent to wai-xtech@w3.org, a cross-working
  group
  > publicly archived w3c emailing list, so as to ensure that this query
  > and your reaches those in the W3C concerned with accessibility...
  >
  > aloha!
  >
  > during a recent ARIA Sub-Caucus call, the topic of cloud-based
  > assistive technologies arose, and WebAnywhere was cited by
  > many on the call as being a possibility -- i searched in the
  > documentation available via
  >
  > http://webinsight.cs.washington.edu/papers/
  >
  > and elsewhere on the webanywhere pages, but couldn't find a
  > mention of ARIA (http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria) -- does
  > WebAnywhere support ARIA?  do you have a plan to integrate
  > ARIA support into WebAnywhere?  are there any implementation
  > details which you are able to share with the WAI?
  >
  > thank you for your assistance, gregory.
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  Department of Computer Science
  University of Rochester
  http://www.jeffreybigham.com

  Creator of WebAnywhere:
  http://webanywhere.cs.washington.edu
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Creator of WebAnywhere:
http://webanywhere.cs.washington.edu