- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:39 +0000
- To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Cc: public-html@w3.org, wai-xtech@w3.org
restoring wai-xtech to the carbon-copy list aloha, ian! you stated, quote: > <q> isn't used much either. I really don't think it is realistic > to expect <dialog> (or <d>) to be used enough to justify having > such a short name. > > Based on my experience doing studies of Web content, I would > estimate that if you took a random sample of 1000 pages on the > Web, at most one would have some text that would be appropriate > for <dialog>. unquote what was the methodology used? did you also search for strings encased in @quot; or " or plain "naked" quotes? what about CSS-generated quotes? D and Q aren't used because (a) one does not yet exist and (b) most places where Q would be appropriate, character entity values or simple "naked" quotes are utilized... aren't we trying to improve the web -- doesn't that mean improving the user and authoring experience by using D and Q to signify dialogue and a quote, respectively, so that they CAN be utilized by page authors... use of Q and D as semantic markers is not only critical, but the only semantically sensible thing to do, and lachy's web developer's guide to HTML5 should stress to authors that they utilize such elements, rather than indicatiing dialogue or quotations with character entity values, unicode values or "naked" quotes... gregory. ---------------------------------------------------------------- CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net> Cc: public-html@w3.org Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: <dialog> > (trimming cc list) > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: > > > > i proposed a single letter element -- D -- for "dialogue" precisely > > because it will be used so often -- for example, in marking up a > > fictional story, one would not use Q or QUOTE to mark dialogue, because > > one is not quoting the characters, rather, the dialogue indicates that > > the author is speaking in that character's voice... > > <q> isn't used much either. I really don't think it is realistic > to expect <dialog> (or <d>) to be used enough to justify having > such a short name. > > Based on my experience doing studies of Web content, I would > estimate that if you took a random sample of 1000 pages on the > Web, at most one would have some text that would be appropriate > for <dialog>. > > (We're adding <dialog> to prevent abuse of <dl> and to allow > <dl> to get stricter semantics, not because it has a high- > profile use case.) > > -- > Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--...., > '``. fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, > _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take > longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' ------- End of Original Message -------
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