- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:07:56 -0400
- To: Geoffrey Sneddon <gsneddon@opera.com>
- CC: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Murray Maloney <murray@muzmo.com>, Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>, John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, 'HTML WG' <public-html@w3.org>, 'W3C WAI-XTECH' <wai-xtech@w3.org>, judy@w3c.org, "'Michael(tm) Smith'" <mike@w3.org>, 'Ian Hickson' <ian@hixie.ch>
Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:
> Sam Ruby wrote:
>> Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree that the current publication decision is entering the realm
>>> of the absurd. Process is ad-hoc, options are not clearly
>>> communicated, and the rules seem to change from day to day.
>>
>> Let me recap. I originally proposed that we simply publish Ian's
>> draft. That attracted 5 objections. One is out of scope. Two
>> recommended actions that are not viable at this time. One was
>> resolved to the originator's satisfaction. Each day, I showed slow
>> but steady progress towards this goal.
>>
>> That leaves one objection that has been partially satisfied.
>>
>> Despite the objection being contrary to my recommendation, I do not
>> intend to simply overrule the objection by fiat. As they say in some
>> Westerns, "first we have a fair trail, then we hang him"(*)
>>
>> I believe that it is important in the course of having a fair trail to
>> let the plaintiff make their case in their own words. You and I and
>> others have suggested things, but in the final analysis it is up to
>> John to make his case. If a poll is required, then it is up to John
>> to propose what the poll will be.
>
> I do believe that objections _do_ need to be resolved, but I do not
> believe that objections should postpone publishing a WD: a WD explicitly
> notes that it may not enjoy consensus from the WG.
>
> As I see it, we definitely should work towards resolving all objections
> by LC; I don't think we should allow objections to postpone publishing a
> WD, as if we do that, I doubt we will manage to meet the heartbeat
> requirement.
I could operate by fiat ("benevolent dictator ring any bells anyone?")
and simply declare that Ian's draft be published. Or John's for that
matter. But that wouldn't be right.
I was fully prepared to simply have a poll: here are two documents,
which one should be published at this time? And give people a week to
respond. And go with the one that got 50.01% of those responding
indicating that that document was the one.
I believe that at this time, John has said everything that needs to be
said. It is not clear to me what more data is requested from him. I
would be willing to leave the poll open for an entire week. But after
over a week of discussion, we have people complaining about not having
enough time to review 5 small changes that John has made.
During that same period of time, Ian has made over 60 commits.
- Sam Ruby
Received on Monday, 3 August 2009 11:08:39 UTC