Re: Using title for ARIA name is impractical!

Let me clarify this, my question is directly towards roles that support
title as a way of providing acc name -- getting name from child content or
aria-labelledby are different use cases which are not at discussion here.
Given the side effect of title to provide a tooltip for mouse hover can
there be or should there be an alternate mechanism? Why not have aria-name
which can provide the same purpose but without the side effect?

-- Srinivas

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jon Gunderson <jongund@illinois.edu> wrote:

> Srinivas,
>
> The "option" role will use the DOM subtree text nodes to generate an
> accessible name for each option.
>
> Jon
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:02:41 -0700
> >From: Srinivas Annam <annams@google.com>
> >Subject: Using title for ARIA name is impractical!
> >To: dev-accessibility@lists.mozilla.org
> >Cc: wai-xtech@w3.org
> >
> >In my continuing series of ARIA discoveries :)
> >
> >The current recommendation requires the usage of title attribute to
> provide
> >a name for widgets of the following roles: combobox, grid, group, img,
> list,
> >listbox, menu, menubar, progressbar, radiogroup, slider, spinbutton,
> >textbox, tree, treegrid.
> >
> >Now imagine a listbox or a tree with lot of visible child elements and
> that
> >each of these widgets (lisbox and options) are being created using a div.
> >The outerdiv for the listbox having it's role as "listbox" and each of the
> >list items having a role of "option". Now, assume that the listbox has a
> >title defined on it (so it could provide an acc name per current
> >recommendation) like below:
> >
> ><div role="listbox" title="My Own Listbox"
> >aria-activedescendant="listbox1-1">
> >  <div role="option" id="listbox1-1" class="selected"
> >aria-selected="true">item 1</div>
> >  <div role="option" id="listbox1-2" >item 2</div>
> >  <div role="option" id="listbox1-3" >item 3</div>
> ></div>
> >
> >At this time you would notice that hovering over with mouse on anywhere
> over
> >the listbox area (including where the individual items are shown) would
> show
> >a tooltip with the title. This is coming in as a side effect of browser
> >usage of title for the tooltip. Given this major UI implication, IMO, this
> >makes the usage of title to get an acc name on the roles mentioned highly
> >impractical. I would like to hear other thoughts or ideas. Or if someone
> >knows a way of getting ARIA name without using a title.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Srinivas
> >
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> >Srinivas Annam
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-- 
Srinivas Annam
Software Engineer, Accessibility
Google, Inc.
Cell: 408.898.4928
Email: annams@google.com