- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:41:48 -0400 (EDT)
- To: Loretta Guarino Reid <lguarino@adobe.com>
- cc: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Marja-Riitta Koivunen <marja@w3.org>, WAI Cross-group list <wai-xtech@w3.org>
My first approach: I would not describe everything in the top level. I would include the information about individual bars at the level of individual bars. As an example, I would write something like the following structure (I leave the encoding of the graphics bits to a tool, but the structure is the key...) <svg ...> <title>population of countries</title> <desc>(One might put a general summary here, but there isn't a sensible one I can think of for this example - it doesn't convey any further message...)</desc> <g id="axes"> <title>country name versus population</title> </g> <g id="australia"> <title id="au">Australia</title> <desc>three blokes and a dog</desc> <text><tref xlink:href="oz"/></text> </g> <g id="newZealand"> <title id="nz">New Zealand</title> <desc>Some people with a lot of possums and sheep</desc> <text><tref xlink:href="nz"/></text> </g> etc... </svg> This is a fairly flat structure, but thenn a simple bar graph is. I would expect that a useful presentation allows someone to just get the title for the whole thing (and possibly the desc), or to actually go through the details. Whether the mechanism is that they change what is rendered, or their browser lets them skip through based on structure, is a detail of how they use their software. I would expect serious browsers to provide both options, although many simpler ones are likely to choose one or the other. Part of my concern (and I hope and suspect this is also something Adobe are thinking about...) is that this should enable good support for authors from their tools. It should be fairly trivial to take the information above from a spreadsheet or other tabular representation of the data and automatically turn it into a graphic representation. Charles McCN On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Loretta Guarino Reid wrote: Let me present a hypothetical example, to see if that makes my question clearer. Suppose I use SVG for a bar chart. The bar chart will contain some text labeling values on the axes, at least. But the text alone will by no means communicate the information in the bar chart. Would I attach a description to the entire bar chart? to the individual bars in the chart? if I describe the bars in the chart, should the top-level description duplicate the information about the values of the individual bars? or just indicate that this is a bar chart plotting X against Y? It seems that I need to know something about the way this information will be presented to know how to author it properly. Loretta -- Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +1 617 258 5999 Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia (or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France)
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