Re: [medium] Eval Video resource titles

Thank you for your feedback and suggestions, which I added to the wiki.

Best,
   Shadi


On 06/11/2019 17:03, Shawn Henry wrote:
> Hi Shadi,
> 
> Thanks for the additional ideas at: 
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Video-Based_Resources/Evaluation_Introduction#Textboxes 
> 
> 
> However, I have some questions:
> * Are these for the resource titles within the videos, not the title 
> scene of the videos itself? (not clear because the new ones say 
> "Evaluating Web Accessibility Overview")
> * The new ones are not on the light blue background. Is that a mistake, 
> or are they now proposing changing the background color for those scenes 
> or for the whole video?
> * Why include options here for EOWG to consider that do not meet 
> contrast requirements?
> 
> And comment:
> * If leave the first three, I think good to note in the heading or under 
> it that the first has rounded corners and the second and third have 
> square corners.
> 
> My reactions to the new ones:
> * Blue banner -- like, especially if that's the treatment we use for the 
> W3C WAI logo -- then it has strong association. (Would be good to 
> include a screen capture of that (attached as I think it will be?), so 
> reviewers can see the association. :-)
> * Blue/White Banner -- OK. hard to say how many viewers would make the 
> association with the WAI site. Probably those viewing the video on the 
> site would , and certainly those viewing it elsewhere who do not know 
> the site would not. (I would move the text left so there is the same 
> amount of space left of, before, and after the first letter)
> * Blue/White Box  -- too busy looking I think.
> * Blue Box -- OK, not great.
> 
> Attached is:
> * logo - what I think we decided for the logo scene
> * 2 - the idea I thought of this morning -- with just the "screen 
> capture"-like of the resource title on the website, i.e., using that 
> heading/text color on light background
> * 3 - a new idea based on "Blue banner"
> Again, these are not necessarily *suggestions*, just ideas.
> 
> /me puts on hat from evaluating many, many options for translations UI 
> [1] : Rather than presenting all of these ideas to EOWG, I mildly 
> suggest you pick a few that you are OK with and just present those first 
> (and have the others as backup e.g., in a section at the bottom, in case 
> the discussion warrants looking at them).
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Best,
> ~Shawn
> 
> [1] 
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI_Translations#Including_Change_Text.2C_Colors 
> and much more
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/5/2019 7:12 PM, Shawn Henry wrote:
>> Hi Shadi,
>>
>> On 11/5/2019 1:15 PM, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote:
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>>
>>> Which of these issues (or others) are you trying to address:
>>>
>>> 1. Does not sufficiently look like a resource title
>>> 2. Does not sufficiently resemble/identify WAI website
>>> 3. Does not provide sufficient contrast/luminosity
>>
>> Mostly 1 & 2
>>
>>>
>>> Note: I'm concerned about adding the logos, especially WAI logo with 
>>> text, which makes it much more complex to read and comprehend, and is 
>>> also not read out in the audio. I'm discussing it with the company.
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> I am not at all suggesting that design -- just brainstorming other 
>> ideas. :-)
>>
>> Best,
>> ~Shawn
>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>    Shadi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/11/2019 18:17, Shawn Henry wrote:
>>>> Hi Shadi,
>>>>
>>>> I put any rough image idea for "Instead of button looking, maybe 
>>>> look like page title in simplified version of WAI website page?" in 
>>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2019OctDec/att-0016/Eval_Video_draft1_slh.docx> 
>>>>
>>>> It's ugly, but might help spur other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Those colors have 4.5:1+ on white background but not on their blue 
>>>> background.
>>>>
>>>> ~Shawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/5/2019 10:02 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote:
>>>>> Hi Shawn,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the quick feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, all ideas welcome at this stage. This suggestion was based on 
>>>>> the feedback from EOWG. The colors should be from our palette. I 
>>>>> will ask them for more suggestions but ideas welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>    Shadi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/11/2019 16:34, Shawn Henry wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Shadi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for distilling all the comments on the draft eval video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ref: 
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Video-Based_Resources/Evaluation_Introduction#Textboxes 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think these address the problem. (especially the first one 
>>>>>> with still the rounded corners)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The globe image and the arrow do communicate "click" but still not 
>>>>>> "WAI Resource". (And maybe they add unnecessary visual complexity?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Also, I think that text is too small.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, contrast of the green and blue is well below 7:1, even below 
>>>>>> 4.5:1.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any chance the production company would "go back to the drawing 
>>>>>> board" for totally different visual treatment options to better 
>>>>>> convey that these are WAI Resources online?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [medium-minor] for now -- however, I am very open to be swayed by 
>>>>>> other perspectives - either way: that those are OK (with color and 
>>>>>> corner fixes), or that it's important to figure out something better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> ~Shawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Note that I did not check contrasts throughout the rest of the 
>>>>>> video -- they should do that. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>

-- 
Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

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