- From: Daniel Dardailler <danield@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:50:27 +0200
- To: w3c-wai-wg@w3.org
Hello At the August meeting, it was decided that we would not ask for the LONGDESC attribute for IMG but rely on OBJECT and future metadata work. Dave raised some good points in this message and I'd like this forum to think again about this issue. Also, since the work is mostly done (it's in the DTD of the current HTML4 draft), maybe we should keep it just for redundancy. PS: this should really happen on the new Format&Protocol mailing list (w3c-wai-fp@w3.org) but the list is not populated yet and the FP WG has to be formally announced to W3C members first. We'll move to FP soon. ------- Forwarded Message CC: www-html@w3.org > Again, TITLE seems appropriate for a short description and > LONGDESC for a long description. What seems odd in the DTD at > <http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Cougar/Cougar.dtd> is that the LONGDESC > attribute was added to IMG but not to OBJECT. Is this just an > oversight? The discussion in the HTML working group on long descriptions shifted from LONGDESC to making sure that image maps are supported for OBJECT. With agreement on image maps for OBJECT, the LONGDESC attribute will disappear from IMG unless there is agreement that we still need it. How would authors use OBJECT and IMG to provide accessible pages bearing in mind the likelihood that many people will be browsing the Web for a long time to come using browsers that don't support OBJECT, let alone shapes. One approach is to use IMG with the alt attribute and client-side image maps. This is well supported but doesn't allow authors to provide long descriptions with rich text. Approach A: <IMG src=map.gif usemap="#flavors" alt="Ice cream flavors:"> <MAP name="flavors"> <AREA alt="Vanilla" shape=poly coords="..." href=...> <AREA alt="Chocolate" shape=poly coords="..." href=...> ... </MAP> Another approach is to use OBJECT with the shapes attribute. The OBJECT element then contains a rich text description with hypertext links that double up to define hotzones on the image. This is the preferred long term solution. Browsers that don't support OBJECT don't render the image and only show the textual description. Approach B: <OBJECT data=map.gif shapes> <P>We offer a full range of ice creams including: <A shape=poly coords="..." href=...>Vanilla</a>, <A shape=poly coords="..." href=...>Chocolate</a>, ... </OBJECT> You could place the IMG and MAP elements within the OBJECT element, but this doesn't really solve anything. Perhaps this doesn't matter - perhaps we should just go all out to encourage people to upgrade to browsers that support OBJECT with shapes, e.g. for the 5.0 round of browsers from the big two. I like this approach - but can we get enough content providers to support it? The new feature is not wonderfully backwards compatible. Authors can't provide good graphics on old and new browsers whilst at the same time providing rich text descriptions. There are two solutions as far as I can see: a) use a tool to generate different versions of HTML for delivery to browsers according to the user agent. b) add LONGDESC to IMG If the 5.0 browsers from the big two support OBJECT shapes and enough people upgrade quickly, then perhaps authors will be happy enough to start using it. In the meantime authors will be adding to the enormous number of Web pages that provide a poor experience to people with text-only browsers. So should the HTML 4.0 spec include LONGDESC or should we just rely on OBJECT shapes and encourage content providers to exploit the user agent header? Regards, - -- Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett phone: +44 122 578 2521 (office) +44 385 320 444 (gsm mobile) World Wide Web Consortium (on assignment from HP Labs) ------- End of Forwarded Message
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