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minutes UAWG 23 Aug 2012

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:43:44 -0500
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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

23 Aug 2012

See also: IRC log http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-ua-irc


Greg_Lowney, Jim_Allan, Jeanne, Kim_Patch, sharper
Kelly, Jan, Mark

review changes to "What qualifies as a user agent"
2.5.3 Action 500 & 545
decentralized extensibility
ACTION-743: Look at cleaning up glossary terms "serial access,
sequential navigation" and linear navigation commands
Summary of Action Items
<trackbot> Date: 23 August 2012
<scribe> scribe: jallan
review changes to "What qualifies as a user agent"

<jeanne> These guidelines employ the following tests to determine if software
<jeanne> qualifies as a user agent. UAAG 2.0 divides potential user agents into
<jeanne> * platform-based application
<jeanne> * extension or plug-in
<jeanne> * web-based application
<jeanne> If the following three conditions are met, then it is a platform-based
<jeanne> application:
<jeanne> * It is a standalone application, and
<jeanne> * It interprets any W3C-specified language, and
<jeanne> * It provides a user interface or interprets a procedural or
<jeanne> language that may be used to provide a user interface
sh: happy with this wording, platform-based is a good thing.
gl: like the approach
... definition of platform application.
... host a browser inside an application. e.g. can put a browser inside Eclipse.
... Eclipse is an application hosting application.
kp: should be changed to platform based application
gl: def of extension or plugin
kp: this was extended also
gl: ... so the browser inside Eclipse would be a plugin or extension to Eclipse
... so an extension or plugin may not be web orientented
js: right, most extensions deal with UI
kp: this is a good thing.
gl: are there languages that are neither procedural or declarative?
sh: this was to get around things that are rendered that don't modify
the DOM. e.g. a UI done in Canvas that never modifies the DOM
... thinks this is still reasonable. things that masquerade like a UA,
it should be a UA
js: thinks we are ok. but #3 has to be all three conditions. are we
locking anyone out?
gl: is there really any difference between 1 and 3? differences seem subtle
... 1 and 3a are simular
sh: hesitate to remove language without Jan and Markku, this has been
thrashed many times. should tread lightly.
all happy with language change "platform based application"
gl: would change word. we are talking about platform web-based
application. it could be confusing
js: this is an informative section. It should not introduce confusion.
<jeanne> Resolution: Postpone discussion of User Agent tests until
next week when Jan and Mark are presesnt
2.5.3 Action 500 & 545

kp: =1
sh: +1
Resolution: add new 2.5.3 from
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JulSep/0045.html to
the document.
zakim: close item 2
decentralized extensibility

sh: was proposed html5. that anyone could create a new tag.
ja: thought it was removed from html5
in section 2.2.3 in hTML5
js: need to make sure that this will stay in the document. there is a
WAI-HTML5 A11Y taskforce working on this.
<scribe> ACTION: jallan to ping wai-a11y-html5 taskforce about
extensibility of html5 and css and otherstuff [recorded in
<trackbot> Created ACTION-756 - Ping wai-a11y-html5 taskforce about
extensibility of html5 and css and otherstuff [on Jim Allan - due
zakim: agenda?
<jeanne> close item-2
<KimPatch> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JulSep/0050.html
ACTION-743: Look at cleaning up glossary terms "serial access,
sequential navigation" and linear navigation commands

kp: there is nothing that clashes.
js: adding Modality Independence Principle as a related resource to
keyboard command, it was already part of keyboard
close item 7
open item 4
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2012/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20120816/
add to lauara ... She also use the user agent's preferences/options to
redefine its keyboard shortcuts in the same way.
close action-750
<trackbot> ACTION-750 Look at IER from 2.3.5 and 2.1.9 and ensure the
new 2.3.5 covers what was important from the now deleted 2.1.9 closed
close item 4
open item 6
change 2.11.1 user can have all recognized foreground and background
images shown or hidden
gl: user should have independent control of each
<Greg> 2.11.A Foreground Image Toggle: The user can have all
recognized foreground images shown or hidden. (Level A)
discussion of images, alt, 1.1 and 2.11
<Greg> from 6/21: [10:59] Greg Benefits of being able to turn off
images include but are not limited to: (a) helping users avoid
distraction; (b) increasing the amount of information that can be
displayed at one time, including for people who do not make use of the
images due to visual impairments, people who want to reduce the amount
of scrolling, people who need to keep information on the screen...
<Greg> ...due to short-term memory...[10:59] Greg ...issues; (c)
avoiding pain caused by high visual contrast; etc.
gl: wants ability to turn off images, replace with alternative
content, or a place holder.
js: decentralized extensability is a dead issue in HTML5
sh: do we take into account microformats and other extensions?
js: what would we have to do with microformat...they are machine
readable...not intended for humans.
sh: vcard creates human readable content, google example
... the semantics in the format are presentational and the UA know how
to render them
... there is lots of information on the a11y of microformats.
gl: sounds like there are a11y issues.
<Greg> Microformat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<Greg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformat
<Greg> Although the content of web pages is technically already
capable of "automated processing", and has been since the inception of
the web, such processing is difficult because the traditional markup
tags used to display information on the web do not describe what the
information means.[2] Microformats can bridge this gap by attaching
semantics, and thereby obviate other, more complicated,...
<Greg> ...methods of automated processing, such as natural language
processing or screen scraping.
sh: will look into it further, to see if semantics can be related to a11y.
Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: jallan to ping wai-a11y-html5 taskforce about
extensibility of html5 and css and otherstuff [recorded in

[End of minutes]

Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
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"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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