- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:37:38 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
12 September 2000 UA Guidelines Teleconference Present: Jon Gunderson (Chair) Ian Jacobs (Scribe) Jim Allan Harvey Bingham Dick Brown Tim Lacy David Poehlman Absent: Rich Schwerdtfeger Charles McCathieNevile Mickey Quenzer Eric Hansen Gregory Rosmaita Regrets: Kitch Barnicle Denis Anson Next meeting: 14 September Minutes of previous meeting 7 September: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0362.html Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0372.html Announcement: New charter draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/charter-20000510 IJ: Heads-up about a particular sentence of the proposal: "The accessibility of mainstream user agents that support text, audio, video, animations, and synchronized multimedia." IJ: Refer to related comments from EH: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0355.html 1.Issue 297: Style vs. content and background sounds http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#297 Ian's proposed resolution to 297: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0371.html /* Ian summarizes proposal */ JG: One question: do we need to indicate to the user which content has been generated by the UA? I propose not a relative (new) checkpoint. I propose requiring at least level Double-A. DP: You don't need to know where it comes from. IJ: Are placeholder images available in the DOM? Or do you get what the author has provided? TL: If you tell IE not to display images, and you ask to show the image, then IE doesn't rebuild the DOM. The placeholder image is in the DOM only. Q: Should repair content, place holders in the subject of the claim be in the DOM (e.g., available to ATs). /* TL does experiments with turning of image support in IE */ TL: MSAA says that: a) The object's role is a graphic provided by IE server. b) State is unavailable. c) Value is original URL of image that would be displayed d) Coordinates available. IJ: Another way of asking the question: does repair content need to be in the document object? JG: I think that the main reason we are requiring the DOM is to provide ATs with the information provided by the author. TL: If you're walking the DOM and you see that the state of the image is unavailable, what you get on the screen is the same whether you've configured the UA not to display images or whether the image is unavailable. IJ: Is what the UA doing in these cases more about user interface or is this <em>content</em> that needs to be available to ATs. DP: I'm not ready to comment on which way this should go. /* David leaves */ TL: The rest of the proposal seems reasonable. I don't have any problem with it. There may be a node in the DOM for a background sound. IJ: Note that this applies to images (which we're used to), but also audio, video. TL: I think that for background sounds, you are still invoking media player, even though you don't get a user interface. The difference would be that on configuration, the media player's UI would be brought up. EH: Should the three-seconds be configurable? Resolved: Of Ian's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0371.html a) Adopt proposed changes to Guideline 3 b) Adopt proposed changes to Guideline 4 c) In last call, point people to three-second parameter and get feedback. Action IJ: Incorporate in next draft. However: raise a separate issue: Is content generated by the User Agent required to be in the DOM, or is it part of rendering in the native UI only? Open Action Items 1.GR: Proposed repair checkpoints Completed Action Items 1.JG: Send announcement on extra telecon for 9/12/2000 2.IJ: Repropose some of the checkpoints in Guideline 3 and 4 based on today's telecon http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0371.html -- Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs Tel: +1 831 457-2842 Cell: +1 917 450-8783
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