- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:37:38 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
12 September 2000 UA Guidelines Teleconference
Present:
Jon Gunderson (Chair)
Ian Jacobs (Scribe)
Jim Allan
Harvey Bingham
Dick Brown
Tim Lacy
David Poehlman
Absent:
Rich Schwerdtfeger
Charles McCathieNevile
Mickey Quenzer
Eric Hansen
Gregory Rosmaita
Regrets:
Kitch Barnicle
Denis Anson
Next meeting: 14 September
Minutes of previous meeting 7 September:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0362.html
Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0372.html
Announcement:
New charter draft:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/charter-20000510
IJ: Heads-up about a particular sentence of the proposal:
"The accessibility of mainstream user agents that support text,
audio,
video, animations, and synchronized multimedia."
IJ: Refer to related comments from EH:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0355.html
1.Issue 297: Style vs. content and background sounds
http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#297
Ian's proposed resolution to 297:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0371.html
/* Ian summarizes proposal */
JG: One question: do we need to indicate to the user which content
has been generated by the UA?
I propose not a relative (new) checkpoint. I propose
requiring at least level Double-A.
DP: You don't need to know where it comes from.
IJ: Are placeholder images available in the DOM? Or
do you get what the author has provided?
TL: If you tell IE not to display images, and you ask to
show the image, then IE doesn't rebuild the DOM. The
placeholder image is in the DOM only.
Q: Should repair content, place holders in the subject
of the claim be in the DOM (e.g., available to ATs).
/* TL does experiments with turning of image support in IE */
TL: MSAA says that:
a) The object's role is a graphic provided by IE server.
b) State is unavailable.
c) Value is original URL of image that would be displayed
d) Coordinates available.
IJ: Another way of asking the question: does repair content
need to be in the document object?
JG: I think that the main reason we are requiring the DOM
is to provide ATs with the information provided by the author.
TL: If you're walking the DOM and you see that the state of the
image is unavailable, what you get on the screen is the same
whether you've configured the UA not to display images or
whether the image is unavailable.
IJ: Is what the UA doing in these cases more about user interface
or is this <em>content</em> that needs to be available to
ATs.
DP: I'm not ready to comment on which way this should go.
/* David leaves */
TL: The rest of the proposal seems reasonable. I don't have
any problem with it. There may be a node in the DOM for
a background sound.
IJ: Note that this applies to images (which we're used to),
but also audio, video.
TL: I think that for background sounds, you are still
invoking media player, even though you don't get a user
interface. The difference would be that on configuration,
the media player's UI would be brought up.
EH: Should the three-seconds be configurable?
Resolved:
Of Ian's proposal:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0371.html
a) Adopt proposed changes to Guideline 3
b) Adopt proposed changes to Guideline 4
c) In last call, point people to three-second parameter and
get feedback.
Action IJ: Incorporate in next draft.
However: raise a separate issue:
Is content generated by the User Agent required to be in
the DOM, or is it part of rendering in the native UI only?
Open Action Items
1.GR: Proposed repair checkpoints
Completed Action Items
1.JG: Send announcement on extra telecon for 9/12/2000
2.IJ: Repropose some of the checkpoints in Guideline 3 and 4 based
on
today's telecon
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0371.html
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