RE: A question about immediate feedback

Agreed. There is no embargo either normatively nor informatively for that matter that I can see prevents this from disappearing automatically … it also fits within the normative definition of status message in SC4.1.3. 

 

May I respectfully suggest that if you can see a glaring contradiction between 4.1.3 and 2.2.1 or any other success criterion then please raise an issue on the WCAG GIT repo detailing your concerns so that it may be addressed in future WCAG versions.

 

 

 

From: Michael Livesey <mike.j.livesey@gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2025 5:19 AM
To: Brooks Newton <brooksallennewton@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Magennis <Mark.Magennis@skillsoft.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: A question about immediate feedback

 

Toast notifications are not a contravention of 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable where they are for notification only and require no action.

The key point of 2.2.1 is to allow users sufficient time to perform actions and input material. As the material below the SC bullets says:

"This success criterion helps ensure that users can complete tasks without unexpected changes in content or context that are a result of a time limit."

<dialog> modals, shown using showModal(), are relatively easy to style and have wide cross browser support for retaining the tab focus in the modal and allow Escape to close the modal.

My feeling here is that a toast notification is the preferred UX and accessible option. Don't overcomplicate it.

 

On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 5:06 PM Brooks Newton <brooksallennewton@gmail.com <mailto:brooksallennewton@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Mark,

 

I documented toasts and similar design patterns that automatically disappear as a WCAG violations almost seven years ago to the day.  

 


Alert Dialog Example: Is disappearing toaster alert WCAG compliant? #756 <https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/756> 


The more you know!

 

Brooks

 

On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 3:43 AM Mark Magennis <Mark.Magennis@skillsoft.com <mailto:Mark.Magennis@skillsoft.com> > wrote:

Adam Cooper said:  "It should be onscreen for as long as you believe it is necessary for everybody to consume its content and then disappear."

 

Adam, I would have thought that automatically disappearing toast notifications are a violation of 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable. Unless they disappear when they are no longer valid or one of the other mechanisms (turn off, adjust, extend) are implemented.

 

Interested to hear your view on this.

 

Mark