RE: Sortable Table Focus Order

The success criterion requires that operability is preserved in the order of focusable elements and not that a narrow technical definition of navigation is upheld for the sake of fidelity.

However, I will heed your appeal for an end to this thread.


But, yes, thank you, Patrick - I will keep 'doing me' in the knowledge that my interpretation of this success criterion is as legitimate as anyone else who applies the same careful consideration and experience to this issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 6:42 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Sortable Table Focus Order



On 09/04/2024 02:23, Adam Cooper wrote:

> If returning focus to the document is a failure of SC 2.4.3 as I 
> contend,

And that's where the disagreement lies, I'd say.

> If it is not a failure of SC 2.4.3 as has been suggested, then this is because focus becoming indeterminate (i.e., returned to the document object) is thought to constitute navigation.

We're dealing with a page refresh/reload here, so it *is* a navigation.

> Activating a hyperlink either moves focus to somewhere else in the same view or loads a new page upon which focus being applied to the document object is expected behaviour.

The links here load the same page (presumably with different GET parameters), so the links are in essence "load this page again, but this time have the table in this page sorted by X".

> A sort hyperlink does not navigate within a document nor load a new view - it merely modifies and existing view.

That's where we're thinslicing "is it *really* a link if it points back to the same page you're on but with different GET parameters?"
  In any case, you do you - if you want to say to a client they hard-fail 2.4.3 Focus Order, or you just want to say that technically they're not failing but could really improve the usability of the page by doing it differently.

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