- From: Harry Loots <harry.loots@ieee.org>
- Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:08:32 +0100
- To: "Fathauer, Laura" <fathauer@ohio.edu>
- Cc: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com>, W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>
- Message-ID: <CA++-QFca472j+wwCBXoOJbViqMenks+T1LrSRARfQ9fphADbJw@mail.gmail.com>
The issue is not about whether users have gained the ability to recognise breadcrumb navigation, but about providing a link that does nothing (i.e., creating a redundancy). And, what's more important is whether this causes a nuisance to AT users? Will it mean they have to listen to the name of the page twice - once from the breadcrumb, and another time from the heading? How will users tabbing through the page hear "current page"? Many thanks Harry On 20 November 2017 at 15:45, Fathauer, Laura <fathauer@ohio.edu> wrote: > My rationale is that users tabbing through the page will be able to land > on that link and hear “current page” and therefore be able to know that the > breadcrumb hierarchy of links ends with that link and where that page sits. > > > > If your usability tests were around 15 years ago, I would posit that in > general people may have advanced in with their ability to recognize > breadcrumb navigation. > > > > Laura > > > > > > *From:* harry.loots@googlemail.com [mailto:harry.loots@googlemail.com] *On > Behalf Of *Harry Loots > *Sent:* Monday, November 20, 2017 2:36 AM > *To:* Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com> > *Cc:* Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com>; W3C WAI ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>; > Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk> > > *Subject:* Re: [breadcrumbs] best practice > > > > In my experience making the current active page a linked item in the > breadcrumbs lead to potential confusion for all users. I observed users (in > usability tests), clicking on this link - expecting to go to a previous > page - and then ending on the same page (probably around early 2000s), and > have ever since avoided 1) placing the current page name as a member of the > breadcrumb, and 2) would most definitely not make it an active link. > > > > Thanks all for the comments - it appears as if we could do with some > research in this area... > > > > Kindest regards > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > On 18 November 2017 at 01:36, Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > Why is it a best practice to make the current page an active link to the > same page - isn't an active visible link distracting or at least confusing > to users with cognitive disabilities? > snip of code from pattern: > . . . > <li> > <a href="./index.html" aria-current="page"> > Breadcrumb Example > </a> > ___________ > Regards, > Phill Jenkins > > > > > From: Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com> > To: "'Patrick H. Lauke'" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, < > w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> > Date: 11/17/2017 03:38 PM > Subject: RE: [breadcrumbs] best practice > ------------------------------ > > > > > BTW, we have a breadcrumb pattern in the ARIA Authoring Practicess: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__w3c. > github.io_aria-2Dpractices_-23breadcrumb&d=DwIFaQ&c=jf_ > iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=aWgRqmoh0Xuzjf7UaXq44Tf6K41u809DPE44ioVTOvk&m= > EaHSkTPXnr7dz7IhuHLdmQGRwCs_U25W6xuCtcpx4xw&s= > e5C8yTeHLQIvfyj7gYB1HCJtEUe9xxudgWp1JsAYXeo&e= > > Matt King > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk > <redux@splintered.co.uk>] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 2:09 AM > To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org > Subject: Re: [breadcrumbs] best practice > > On 17/11/2017 09:43, Harry Loots wrote: > > Hi all > > what is the current thinking on breadcrumbs. > > > > I have a situation where a client want to display the page name in the > > breadcrumb, then repeat the page name immediately afterwards as a > > heading, which I know can be a nuisance for text-to-speech users. > > I'd say across all the things that can be problematic/nuisance on web > pages, that's a pretty minor thing. I'd further argue that even if the text > is repeated, it does serve two separate purposes: in the breadcrumb > navigation, to indicate this is the current page; as a heading, to, well, > act as heading for the actual page's content. > > In short, don't think it's an actual problem. > > > Are their any firm rules on breadcrumbs, or strong views for that > > matter :) > > No firm rules, as with most things in accessibility *grin* > > And as is often the case, it'll depend on the specific situation (i.e. > how is the breadcrumb actually marked up? how long are these page titles > - a few words, or as long as a whole sentence - etc). > > P > -- > Patrick H. Lauke > > www.splintered.co.uk| https://urldefense.proofpoint. > com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_patrickhlauke&d=DwIFaQ&c= > jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=aWgRqmoh0Xuzjf7UaXq44Tf6K41u809DPE44ioVTOvk&m= > EaHSkTPXnr7dz7IhuHLdmQGRwCs_U25W6xuCtcpx4xw&s=J975Gwb3-Ry2o92iqMAP_ > PFQbnC6dMa3J0OrDfrDMig&e=https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/ > v2/url?u=http-3A__flickr.com_photos_redux_&d=DwIFaQ&c=jf_ > iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=aWgRqmoh0Xuzjf7UaXq44Tf6K41u809DPE44ioVTOvk&m= > EaHSkTPXnr7dz7IhuHLdmQGRwCs_U25W6xuCtcpx4xw&s=E- > yGcPVgZ3j5HsanJo6IZR8ue5Lp2jALvkQKRFh3s8Q&e=| > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__redux. > deviantart.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r= > aWgRqmoh0Xuzjf7UaXq44Tf6K41u809DPE44ioVTOvk&m=EaHSkTPXnr7dz7IhuHLdmQGRwCs_ > U25W6xuCtcpx4xw&s=KGbXWvU6wp3d7m7ac7HfF4DTluIOlvt_KrAKkbX-j3E&e= > twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke > > > > > > >
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