- From: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net>
- Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT)
- To: Maraikayar Prem Nawaz <mpnkhan@gmail.com>
- cc: Nigel Peck <np.lists@sharphosting.uk>, Thierry Koblentz <thierry.koblentz@gmail.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Just wondering, If you have documented the problem in the apple operating system, and I informed several representatives that I am using Ubintu shells in Linux, with the e-links browser, then. Why did i get a call this afternoon asking what edition of Jaws I am using? Naturally I told this person that a, all software speech stimulates the dizzy centres of my brain. 2, jaws would do me physical harm. 3. the button being labeled as harmless is a coding problem, and 4. wacg 2.0 is very clear about items functioning from the keyboard...which has nothing to do with my choice of tools. Any wonder why I am concerned about Paypal's accessibility practices? I believe a job description stating Paypal's products and services will work for people of all abilities...means me too. Karen On Tue, 2 May 2017, Maraikayar Prem Nawaz wrote: > Apologies. Yes, Bugs have been filed with respective teams. > Voiceover speaks it as Button. So for now, could you try activating PayNow > button with spacebar instead of enter key? > Sample invoice: > https://www.paypal.com/invoice/payerView/details/INV2-FUZ2-K4T7-JJTT-8SU2 > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Nigel Peck <np.lists@sharphosting.uk> wrote: > >> >> The Tweet I was referring to is one earlier in the thread you suggested >> Karen and I get involved in (which I just did). Specifically this one where >> Bill said: >> >> "Yep. There are people that have been engaged on this a few days back. >> Thanks." >> >> https://twitter.com/billwscott/status/858072965232996352 >> >> Thanks, >> Nigel >> >> On 01/05/2017 20:37, Thierry Koblentz wrote: >> >>> I think Nigel is talking about this tweet from her: >>> https://twitter.com/cagocon/status/858325552142221312 >>> I think best would be to reply to her and CC (mention) Bill Scott as I >>> did. >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Koblentz >>> Sent with Airmail >>> >>> On May 1, 2017 at 18:31:59, Karen Lewellen (klewellen@shellworld.net >>> <mailto:klewellen@shellworld.net>) wrote: >>> >>> I am not a member of twitter...although I read your answers there. >>>> I like you hope that is a bot, because not being able to read a >>>> discussion, >>>> does not hold water. >>>> I did not notice Ms O'Connor taking part in that thread either. >>>> I feel sure this is not the conversation Nigel spoke of where someone >>>> indicated action? >>>> Kare >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 1 May 2017, Thierry Koblentz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Karen, Nigel, >>>>> >>>>>> Did you hear anything from PayPal regarding this Karen? >>>>> >>>>> I think you should get involved in this thread: >>>>> https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/858805209736257536 >>>>> >>>>> -- > Thierry Koblentz >>>>> Sent with Airmail >>>>> >>>>> On May 1, 2017 at 11:06:27, Nigel Peck (np.lists@sharphosting.uk >>>> <mailto:np.lists@sharphosting.uk>) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Did you hear anything from PayPal regarding this Karen? One of the >>>>> responses on Twitter appears to suggest that they're doing something >>>>> about it, would be good to know if that's the case. >>>>> >>>>> Nigel >>>>> >>>>> On 26/04/2017 21:19, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>>> Oh most certainly, I have spoken to several customer support >>>>>> representatives and supervisors. >>>>>> The amazing thing is how many tell me that >>>>>> 1, they have no one to report accessibility related issues, have never >>>>>> heard of ms O'Connor, and that Paypal has no dedicated staff who are >>>>>> responsible for access. >>>>>> and >>>>>> 2, customer service no longer has direct contact with technical >>>> support >>>>>> either, there is an e-mail process but this has no assurance that the >>>>>> issue is actually addressed. >>>>>> These changes sliding further and further away from inclusion have >>>>>> been happening in stages for a couple of years now at least. >>>>>> I feel sure there is an entire file full of customer service contacts >>>>>> on my Canadian account, more than one on the American side, with a >>>>>> laundry list of wacg 2.0 related problems >>>>>> Did your kindly listening in sources say otherwise then what I am >>>>>> presenting here? >>>>>> Kare >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, lists@srinivasu.org <mailto:lists@srinivasu.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you reach out to customer support? Being a former PayPal >>>> employee, >>>>>>> my experience is that Customer Support always work with right team >>>> and >>>>>>> ensures your concern is addressed in best possible way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BCC: some colleagues from PayPal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>>> +91-9900810881 >>>>>>> Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27-Apr-2017, at 03:46, Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net >>>> <mailto:klewellen@shellworld.net>> >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not on twitter, I am a paypal customer. Wonder why she has no >>>>>>>> contact via the place where she makes sure paypal goods and >>>>>>>> services are usable by people of all abilities? >>>>>>>> Smiles. Perhaps I can find someone active to ask some pointed >>>>>>>> questions of her via social media. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, Nigel Peck wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> She has a Twitter account at: >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/cagocon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And is presenting at FluentConf in June (according to her Tweets) >>>> so >>>>>>>>> she seems very much real. Perhaps try contacting her through >>>> Twitter? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 25/04/2017 12:52, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>> A while back when I first started sharing new access issues with >>>>>>>>>> paypal, >>>>>>>>>> someone suggested I discover the person responsible for >>>> accessibility >>>>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>> I have a name, a linked-in profile, even a job description. >>>>>>>>>> However none >>>>>>>>>> of the at least 25 Paypal supervisors with whom i have had >>>>> discussions >>>>>>>>>> over the past several months, know her, or can reach her if a >>>>>>>>>> customer is >>>>>>>>>> meeting with an accessibility issue. >>>>>>>>>> My latest? The previously functional from the keyboard button on >>>>>>>>>> invoice >>>>>>>>>> forms labeled pay now, is coded as harmless. Doing nothing when >>>>>>>>>> using an >>>>>>>>>> enter key in elinks. a browser that is more java script friendly >>>> then >>>>>>>>>> others like links or certainly lynx, all of which are distributed >>>>>>>>>> in Linux >>>>>>>>>> packages like Ubuntu. >>>>>>>>>> I will place her information below. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/cathy-o-connor-407a56 >>>>>>>>>> Cathy O'Connor >>>>>>>>>> Program Manager, Accessibility at PayPal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Program Manager, Accessibility >>>>>>>>>> PayPal >>>>>>>>>> November 2014 ~V Present )|PayPal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Keeping PayPal products and services accessible to people of all >>>>>>>>>> abilities. >>>>>>>>>> Make sure product managers, designers and developers understand >>>>>>>>>> why accessibility is important by using simulations and assistive >>>>>>>>>> technology to gain first-hand experience of how people use >>>>>>>>>> computers differently in our accessibility showcase. >>>>>>>>>> Provide consulting, training and tools to make it as easy as >>>>>>>>>> possible for teams to design, develop and deliver products that >>>>>>>>>> can be used by as many people as possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Given her job description, why is there no way to report the >>>>>>>>>> issues she >>>>>>>>>> is paid to address? Granted the simulations sentence concerns me, >>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>> a bit like pretending to experience a disability. I find it >>>>>>>>>> difficult to >>>>>>>>>> understand how someone could secure this job knowing noting of... >>>>>>>>>> www.w3c.org/wai <http://www.w3c.org/wai> >>>>>>>>>> Anyone know if she is a real person? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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