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Re: courses for designers and developers.

From: Patti Burke Lund <pburkelund@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:21:12 +0000 (UTC)
To: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>
Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <86706858.754153.1478629272179@mail.yahoo.com>
Hello Sean and Group,
I include lessons on accessibility and standards in the course I teach online, Web Design and Management, for Colorado State University. As a beginner course, my goal is for the students to learn how to build a basic site from scratch with a solid foundation. As a part of our lesson on accessibility, I show a video from Lynda.com where students can experience a website via a screen reader; it always seems to hit home and produces much discussion. There are lots of other training materials on the subject, as well.
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Patti Burke Lund
Colorado State University | Journalism & Media Communication
patricia.burke-lund@colostate.edu | pburkelund@yahoo.com | www.colostate.edu
http://linkedin.com/in/pburkelund


      From: Wayne Dick <waynedick@knowbility.org>
 To: Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org> 
Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:44 AM
 Subject: Re: courses for designers and developers.
   
My university, Cal State Long Beach, still offers accessibility in our majors and non-majors course. 

Each course gives a week on WCAG 2.0 and then includes accessibility as a part of grade evaluation. Generally an inaccessible can get at best a B.

Wayne Dick
Professor Emeritus
Computer Engineering and Computer Science
CSU, Long Beach


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:54 AM, Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org> wrote:

Greetings all,

Yesterday, Nov 7th, the White House hosted their final Disability and Inclusive Technology Summit and live streamed the discussion. One of the panels was led by Larry Goldberg and featured two researchers who were working with the new TeachAccess initiative to encourage the integration of accessibility and inclusive design thinking in college curricula across disciplines to include designers, developers, programmers, engineers, human factors, psychology and more. Research and active programs were presented by Bruce Walker from Georgia Tech and Matt Huenerfauth from Rochester Institute of Technology. 

In my view there is nothing more important than this kind of integration into standard university courses across the board. TeachAccess is quite open and encourages participation from around the globe. You can learn more at http://teachaccess.org.

Best,
Sharron

 

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:43 AM, <chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:

- d.birkett@, aboyd@, ludovic.giambiasi@, seanmmur@, matthew.putland@ Hi Alan, [Please note the W3C email attachment policy asks you not to attach Word documents, for some fairly good reasons. But that's by the by…] This is an interesting read. As I am sure you are aware it needs a bit of "copy-editing" to clean out the odd typo and unfinished sentence, and I think it would do better if it had a short summary - the introduction reads more like a cover letter. I like the approach of moving between stuff about accessibility as an idea, rules, and technical standards. I think you would do well to shrink the bits on individual sets of regulations and policies, and consider the broad types of rules.Roughly I think there are two common approaches. Many sets of rules that are based on meeting a specific set of required checkpoints, such as having keyboard-operable controls or only using language from a given set of common terms. This is similar to copying and pasting from e.g. WCAG, then optionally editing a bit more to "suit local conditions". Things like Section 508 fall into this category, as well as checklists applied in organisations, or even a rule that says "meet WCAG X to level so-and-so, plus checkpoints such-and-such". The other approach is typified by Australia's and the UK's law against discriminating on the basis of disability. Essentially they say that it is not lawful to offer a product or service that a person with a disability cannot use by reason of their disability.  A noted advantage of the first kind is that it is easier to test whether you have met the requirements, since they are clearly listed. A noted advantage of the second is that as technology evolves there is in theory nobody left behind while the requirements aren't updated to the new reality. There are other interesting aspects - if you were offering this to a law or behavioural economics class, you might consider the different schemes for enforcement and dealing with breaches of the policy, and which are more effective in actually reducing problems for people and in motivating technological development. Anyway, I hope the University of Manitoba recognises the value of your proposals, and sees how to incorporate accessibility education both as a stand-alone subject and integrated as appropriate into their existing work. cheers  08.11.2016, 13:36, "Alan Bridgeman" <a.bridgeman@hotmail.com>:
Hello, I seem to be pretty late to this email chain and I'm meirly a fourth year computer scoence undergrad at the University of Manitoba. But I wanted to through my two cents in since I'm going to be trying to convince the university I attend (University of Manitoba) and hopefully the Canadian Information Processing Society (CIPS) which as I understand is the closest thing to a computer science program regulatory body in Canada. To include this kind of matterial in our computer scoence curriculim(s). Now I know the OCAD University Inclusive Design Research Centre (IDRC) does education (Master degrees) on this type of stuff but I can't speak to this other then to say I've heard good things. Here is their website: http://idrc.ocadu.ca Below I've included a copy of a documrnt I've written as a rough first draft proposal (thats been reviewed by a few people with decent standing) specifically for the purpose of convincing the computer science departmemy to include this kind of matterial in the University of Manitoba program. I don't know if it will help with the specific issues at hand but feel free to use it for your own ends or if you have time I'd really like the feedback on it as well. Thanks for all your time. Regards,Alan Bridgeman  -------- Original message --------From: Dean Birkett | AssistiveWare <d.birkett@assistiveware.com>Date: 2016-11-08 5:44 AM (GMT-05:00)To: "Boyd, Amanda (UK - Belfast)" <aboyd@deloitte.co.uk>Cc: Ludovic GIAMBIASI <ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com>, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, Matthew Putland <matthew.putland@mediaaccess.o rg.au>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.orgSubject: Re: courses for designers and developers.  I find a lot of the online Accessibility courses tend to be developer focussed. The one Matthew mentioned is broader, and you don’t hit any code at all. although I wouldn’t say it is for UXers either - it’s more of a broad intro, and the coursework revolves around accessibility testing & creating accessible content (videos). The free MOOC from The University of Southampton (https://www.futurelearn.com/c ourses/digital-accessibility) is also quite broad, and it introduces you to issues faced by people with various impairments, but there are no real tests as such. To date I’ve yet to find a course that really covers Accessibility from a UX perspective, which is a real shame, but I can totally recommend a workshop with Derek Featherstone of Simply Accessible, he helped me (a UX Designer with  a keen interest in Accessibility) to come at design problems through an Accessibility lens to create better solutions. BestDean 
On 8 Nov 2016, at 11:20, Boyd, Amanda (UK - Belfast) <aboyd@deloitte.co.uk> wrote:  Hi, As a web developer – accessibility is a fundamental aspect of the web. If we are teaching our students front-end web development – accessibility should be core to this. It was covered alittle in my university course in UK, all our sites had to be W3C accessibility checked althought I felt the aria labels and voiceover accessibility could have been covered more. Teaching students to solve the accessibility problems they run into when they are coding – for example – how the structure of their code regarding H1-H6 and the layout of forms could impact the page navigation of the user tabbing through while using Voiceover. If we teach them to adopt this while coding – they will adopt these considerations into their projects/apps before starting. Everyone always leave accessibility to the end of projects as an after thought :( Many Thanks,Amanda Boyd  Please consider the environment before printing. From: Ludovic GIAMBIASI <ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:49
To: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, Matthew Putland <matthew.putland@mediaaccess.o rg.au>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: courses for designers and developers.
Resent-From: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.or g>
Resent-Date: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 09:50 Hi,  In all my interventions (university, private school, etc.) I include accessibility and UX courses. Sometimes, courses are dedicated to accessibility, otherwise in all programming courses, I include accessibility  part and ux also...   I'm in France...   Ludo,  Le mar. 8 nov. 2016 à 07:40, Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com> a écrit :
Matthew  Thank you for the response. The information you have shared in relation to the South Australian course I was aware of and should have mention it in my original post. The info you shared in relation to the offerings from your university appears to be the status quo for Australia.  If UX and developers are not getting their teeth into this area of development and design at an University level. Then it is a uphill battle to change things without people repeating themselves over and over. Thus why I raised the question.  Sean MurphyAccessibility Software engineerseanmmur@cisco.comTel: +61 2 8446 7751      Cisco Systems, Inc.The Forum 201 Pacific HighwayST LEONARDS2065Australiacisco.com            Think before you print.This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. From: Matthew Putland [mailto:matthew.putland@mediaa ccess.org.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 4:57 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: courses for designers and developers. > I am wondering if Universities, Third party trainers and the like cover accessibility in their development and UX courses? If so, is there any resources for different countries to indicate which training organisations that cover this in their courses and what level of quality the training is? Hi Sean Murphy, >From my own experience and talking with others, Accessibility training in web dev and UX courses are few and far between. My own I.T Degree which I completed at the end of 2015 only discussed accessibility for 3 marks of a single assignment, and that’s in my entire degree. My UX designer colleague from the University of Sydney had a lecture on accessibility, but of course 1 lecture isn’t enough to go to a very deep level. There is however an online 6-week University-level course that my organization runs called the “Professional Certificate of Web Accessibility” at the University of South Australia, which is completely self-promoting but may assist with what you’re looking for. I’m unsure if there’s any collaboration between countries on what is taught accessibility-wise, but I’d say there’s still a sad lack of accessibility training in general for these courses. Cheers, Matthew PutlandSenior Analyst, Digital Accessibility | Media Access Australia61 Kitchener Avenue, Victoria Park WA 6100Tel: 08 9311 8230 (direct) 02 9212 6242 (main) Mobile: 0431 924 288 Web: www.mediaaccess.org.au My working hours are from 11am-7:30pm AEST (8am-4:30pm AWST). Media Access Australia - inclusion through technology and Access iQ® - creating a web without limits. Follow us on Twitter @mediaaccessaus@Access iQ From: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) [mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 9:13 AM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: courses for designers and developers. I am wondering if Universities, Third party trainers and the like cover accessibility in their development and UX courses? If so, is there any resources for different countries to indicate which training organisations that cover this in their courses and what level of quality the training is?Sean MurphyAccessibility Software engineerseanmmur@cisco.comTel: +61 2 8446 7751      Cisco Systems, Inc.The Forum 201 Pacific HighwayST LEONARDS2065Australiacisco.com            Think before you print.This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. 
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