Re: WCAG 2.0 and EN 301 549

Thanks all for this discussion. The question of what happens when WCAG
changes is timely as Australia is in the process of adopting EN 301-549 [1,
2] - I'll certainly raise this with some people on the Standards Australia
committee.

Andrew

[1] http://bit.ly/2cOyTpE (PDF from Standards Australia)
[2]
http://www.finance.gov.au/blog/2016/09/09/Accessibility-ICT-Procurement-Standard/


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On 21 September 2016 at 03:05, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 20-Sep-16 18:27, Christophe Strobbe wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 20/09/2016 16:29, Olaf Drümmer wrote:
>>
>>> While ETSI carried out the development of EN 301 549, it actually is a
>>> CEN standard - so CEN would have the last word about this.
>>>
>>
>> The 2014 [1] and the April 2015 versions [2] available from ETSI have
>> CEN, CENELEC and ETSI on the cover page, since the EC mandate (Mandate
>> 376) went to all three of these standardisation bodies.
>> The copyright notification mentions CEN, CENELEC and ETSI as copyright
>> holders, so the claim that it is exclusively a CEN standard is
>> incorrect.  (The European Commission wanted the standard to be published
>> by ETSI so it would be available free of charge.)
>>
>
> Agree, this is my understanding as well.
>
>
> However, I don't know what the process would be when WCAG 2.0 gets updated:
>>
>> * Would the Join Working Group (CEN/CLC/ETSI/JWG eAcc) update EN 301
>> 549? (Without a new mandate?)
>> * Would W3C submit the new version to ISO? This would indirectly allow
>> acceptance as a CEN standard, since CEN and ISO have the "Vienna
>> Agreement", which allows, among other things, the "adoption of existing
>> international standards as European standards" [3]. (W3C was recognised
>> as a "PAS Submitter" by ISO in 2010 [4]; I am not aware of anything
>> similar between W3C and CEN.)
>>
>
> As far as I know, EN 301 549 references WCAG 2.0 directly rather than
> ISO/IEC 40500. Here is the relevant text from Clause 9:
>
> [[
> The web content requirements in clause 9.2 set out all of the Level A and
> Level AA Success Criteria from the W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
> (WCAG 2.0) [4]
>
> ...
>
> NOTE 2: WCAG 2.0 is identical to ISO/IEC 40500 (2012): "Information
> technology - W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0" [4].
>
> ...
>
> [4] W3C Recommendation (11 December 2008)/ISO/IEC 40500:2012: "Web Content
> Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0". NOTE: Available at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/.
> ]]
>
> The EN also "contains" an electronic copy of WCAG 2.0 in Annex A.
>
> I understand there are explorations to update the EN. Hopefully future
> versions will continue to be aligned with W3C resources.
>
> Information about WCAG WG and how to join is available here:
>  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/
>
> Best,
>   Shadi
>
>
> CEN (https://www.cen.eu/Pages/default.aspx) is the “European Committee
>>> for Standardization”. The abbreviation CEN goes back to the French
>>> equivalent “Comité européen de normalisation”.
>>>
>>> The CEN website link to EN 301 549 “Accessibility requirements
>>> suitable for public procurement of ICT products and services in
>>> Europe" is:
>>> https://standards.cen.eu/dyn/www/f?p=204:110:0::::FSP_PROJEC
>>> T,FSP_ORG_ID:60328,855949&cs=18CA5914157C8AAA297634B3D0FEE774B
>>>
>>>
>> [1]
>> <http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/01
>> .01.01_60/en_301549v010101p.pdf>
>> [2]
>> <http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/01
>> .01.02_60/en_301549v010102p.pdf>
>> [3] <http://boss.cen.eu/ref/Vienna_Agreement.pdf>
>> [4] <https://www.w3.org/2010/04/pasfaq>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Christophe Strobbe
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2016, at 15:56, Vlerken-Thonen, M. van (Michèlle) - Logius
>>>> <michelle.van.vlerkenthonen@logius.nl
>>>> <mailto:michelle.van.vlerkenthonen@logius.nl>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Chaals, that sounds logical. I could not find anything on
>>>> ETSI’s website on this subject unfortunately so I was hoping someone
>>>> on this list might have some inside information ;-). Agreed that two
>>>> different versions would be a bad idea!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Van:* chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru>
>>>> [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru]
>>>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 20 september 2016 15:50
>>>> *Aan:* Vlerken-Thonen, M. van (Michèlle) - Logius; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>>> <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>>>> *Onderwerp:* Re: WCAG 2.0 and EN 301 549
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michelle,
>>>>
>>>> 20.09.2016, 15:29, "Vlerken-Thonen, M. van (Michèlle) - Logius"
>>>> <michelle.van.vlerkenthonen@logius.nl
>>>> <mailto:michelle.van.vlerkenthonen@logius.nl>>:
>>>>
>>>>      WCAG 2.0's Level A and AA success criteria are incorporated as
>>>>      references in clause 9.2 of the European standard EN 301 549
>>>>      published by ETSI.
>>>>
>>>>      I was wondering what will happen if a new version of WCAG is
>>>>      published. Will EN 301 549 change as well?
>>>>
>>>> Presumably that is up to ETSI...
>>>>
>>>>      If an organization wants to participate in the work on
>>>>      accessibility guidelines (for example give input to improve the
>>>>      success criteria or techniques) would a membership of W3C or ETSI
>>>>      be more appropriate?
>>>>
>>>> Participation in W3C, since that's where the document actually gets
>>>> written.
>>>>
>>>> I think a separate ETSI version that was different would be a *bad*
>>>> idea.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> Chaals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Thanks for any insights you might have on this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Michèlle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>> chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> - - - Find more
>>>> at http://yandex.com <http://yandex.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
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