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Re: Let's add an approved date field to Failures and Techniques

From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 07:03:04 -0400
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To: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF <gregg@raisingthefloor.org>
CC: Joshue O Connor <josh@interaccess.ie>, Jason J White <jjwhite@ets.org>, Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>, IG - WAI Interest Group List list <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, GLWAI Guidelines WG org <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, "Denis Boudreau (gmail)" <dboudreau01@gmail.com>, Kevin White <kevin@dewoollery.co.uk>
>>> But I would be careful to not fail things that really arent a problem.
That is, it is easy to tell what they are without any special markup.

Words and phrases like "easy" and  "aren't a problem" is where we, as a
group, have to judge. My proposal is that on today's complicated web it's
*more* important than in 2008 to identify regions, so it *more* of a
problem now than then, and why we should be documenting it now as a common
failure. It always failed techically (it was a visually formatted region of
content that was took extra time for a blind person to figure out) but it
was not a *big* (just a nuisance) problem on text sites of 2008, but now
it's *more* of a problem, AND elegant solutions have made it easier to
remedy.

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Gregg Vanderheiden RTF <
gregg@raisingthefloor.org> wrote:

> Agree.
>
> Failures are NEVER normative.   And they are never new.
>
> Failures are simply documenting things that are ALREADY failures of SC.
> They just document things that are commonly done that would fail to meet
> WCAG to make them obvious to those who do not see them.
>
> Failures can never add nor subtract from WCAG.     Their full name is
>  “Common failures of WCAG SC”.
>
> The only way to add something to WCAG or make something a failure that is
> not already a failure is to look to future versions as Josh points out.
>
> *gregg*
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> On Apr 30, 2016, at 1:42 AM, Joshue O Connor <josh@interaccess.ie> wrote:
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> Hi Jason,
>
> Yes.  As failures are hard to mint, and David is calling out a need for
> more,  my 'warning' suggestion is maybe a way of meeting the need without
> doing normative or quasi normative work. So this suggestion would be firmly
> in guidance and non normative space.
>
> Tbh, that we don't have lots of hardcore failures may also be a good sign
> rather than indicate some dearth in WCAG. FWIW,  I'm not convinced this
> thread does call out a substantial problem but if there is real need we
> will aim to address it.
>
> Regarding WCAG.next topics,  in general things we cannot incorporate in
> current work can be looked at in future versions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Josh
>
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> On 30 Apr 2016, at 00:44, "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:
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>> *From:* Joshue O Connor [mailto:josh@interaccess.ie <josh@interaccess.ie>]
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>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 5:57 PM
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>> I wonder if we could have a 'warning'  category?  So it's not a hard
>> fail,  with all the baggage of gaining consensus, but a common anti pattern
>> that could cause known a11y issues?
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>> Would that be useful in a WCAG.next ?
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>> I would prefer them to be in non-normative techniques, if anywhere, not
>> in the guidelines proper.
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>> I thought we were only talking about what should belong in non-normative
>> material in this discussion, yet some people keep referring to WCAG Next,
>> so I really don’t understand what is being proposed.
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