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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 10:47:01 -0500 (EST)
To: (unknown charset) CAE-Vanderhe <gregg@raisingthefloor.org>
cc: (unknown charset) chaals@yandex-team.ru, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <coordina@sidar.org>, "Mattes, Kurt X1" <kurt.x1.mattes@chase.com>, Andy Keyworth <akeyworth@tbase.com>, IG - WAI Interest Group List list <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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this is how I have used date for many many years it still confuses some 
and confuses me when I get forms that want it some other way.

doubt we will ever get all the billions on earth to follow any one system 
no matter how hard we try, so we need to be aware of that and try to make 
what we do adaptable to the user
(ie - MAC, Windows, Linux, other)


Bob


On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, CAE-Vanderhe wrote:

> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 21:54:31 -0600
> From: CAE-Vanderhe <gregg@raisingthefloor.org>
> To: chaals@yandex-team.ru
> Cc: "[utf-8] Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo" <coordina@sidar.org>,
>     "Mattes, Kurt X1" <kurt.x1.mattes@chase.com>,
>     Andy Keyworth <akeyworth@tbase.com>,
>     IG - WAI Interest Group List list <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Opinions on accessible time formatting
> Resent-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 05:49:36 +0000
> Resent-From: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> 
> the format we use in all of our international teams is
>
> 07-November-2014
>    or
> 07-Nov-2014
>
> Both are universally understood by all team members from all countries.
>
> Gregg
>
>
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:30 PM, chaals@yandex-team.ru wrote:
>>
>> 07.11.2014, 19:37, "Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo" <coordina@sidar.org <mailto:coordina@sidar.org>>:
>>> I think that the most "accesible" is the international format: yyyy/mm/dd,
>>> for example: 2014/11/07
>>>
>>> This can be understood by any person in any language.
>>>
>>> And for the hours the 24 hours format: 23:00
>>
>> This is fine for *most of the world*.
>>
>> Unfortunately Americans are especially unlikely to understand either of these formats. Like telling them someone is 150cm tall - they just don't know what that means.
>>
>> Or like telling most of the world that someone is 6 feet 4 and weighs 16 stone.
>>
>> It turns out not to be directly accessible to people.
>>
>>> See the ISO 8601 "Data elements and interchange formats — Information
>>> interchange — Representation of dates and times"
>>
>> The problem is that people don't have browsers that can pick up measurements and translate them to things the user will actually understand.
>>
>> Sounds like a useful thing for schema.org <http://schema.org/> to help with, actually.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
>>> Patrono y Directora General
>>> Fundación Sidar - Acceso Universal
>>> Email: coordina@sidar.org
>>> Personal: Emmanuelle@sidar.org
>>> Web: http://sidar.org
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: Mattes, Kurt X1 [mailto:Kurt.X1.Mattes@chase.com]
>>> Enviado el: viernes, 07 de noviembre de 2014 15:50
>>> Para: chaals@yandex-team.ru; Andy Keyworth; 'WAI Interest Group'
>>> Asunto: RE: Opinions on accessible time formatting
>>>
>>> Agree with Chaals and only add that consistency in the way it is presented
>>> is an important part of comprehending any information that is commonly
>>> presented in various ways.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kurt Mattes
>>> VP - Electronic Communications Accessibility Team | JPMorgan Chase & Company
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chaals@yandex-team.ru [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:00 AM
>>> To: Andy Keyworth; 'WAI Interest Group'
>>> Subject: Re: Opinions on accessible time formatting
>>>
>>> OK, I'll bite
>>>
>>> 04.11.2014, 16:12, "Andy Keyworth" <akeyworth@tbase.com>:
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>
>>>>  I'm hoping I can get some advice on how expressions of time can be
>>>>  accessibly formatted on web pages.
>>>>
>>>>  For example, is 11:00 a.m. or 2:00 p.m. considered (generally)
>>>>  acceptable, or would 11:00 am or 2:00 pm (without periods between
>>>>  letters) be preferable? Is another format better?
>>>
>>> As far as I know, these are pretty much equal in reality.
>>>
>>> (Note that date formats are different. You do a lot better for most people
>>> using DD Month YYYY, e.g. 12 November 2014 than any shorthand. But I doubt
>>> that is news).
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>>  Thank you,
>>>>
>>>>  Andy Keyworth
>>>>  Senior Web Accessibility Specialist
>>>>  T-Base Communications
>>>>  Phone: 613-236-0866 | Toll free: 1-800-563-0668 x 1256 www.tbase.com |
>>>>  Ogdensburg, NY | Ottawa, ON ALL TOUCH POINTS. ALL ACCESS METHODS. ALL
>>>>  FORMATS.TM
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