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Re: Required Form Fields Question

From: Gijs Veyfeyken <gijs@anysurfer.be>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:44:57 +0100
Cc: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, Christophe Strobbe <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-Id: <030A5336-4E99-47B8-871C-1502EE14CE31@anysurfer.be>
To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>
> I'd be surprised if it didn't work using TalkBack as well on the Android, or in ChromeVox in Chrome.

I was curious so I tested with the stock browser on Android's Jelly Bean 4.3. Talkback indeed has support for aria-required.

Kind regards,

Gijs

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On 06 Mar 2014, at 18:51, Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com> wrote:

> It appears to be exposed properly in the accessibility tree from what I've seen using MSAA/UIA, and it's announced properly using JAWS, NVDA, and VoiceOver as the three primary screen readers. I'd be surprised if it didn't work using TalkBack as well on the Android, or in ChromeVox in Chrome.
>  
> I'm not sure about ZoomText since it's not something I use personally. It's worth verifying though if anybody has it running.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Avila
> To: Bryan Garaventa ; Christophe Strobbe ; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:43 AM
> Subject: RE: Required Form Fields Question
> 
> [Bryan wrote] The aria-required attribute works in IE8 through 11, FF, Chrome, and Safari.
>  
> Can you clarify what you mean by works?  Is it exposed through the accessibility API (MSAA, UIA, etc.) or detected by assistive technologies such as NVDA, JAWS, ZoomText, etc. when used with these browsers.  I think it’s important to consider both scenarios.
>  
> Best Regards,
>  
> Jonathan
>  
> From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:37 PM
> To: Christophe Strobbe; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Required Form Fields Question
>  
> The aria-required attribute works in IE8 through 11, FF, Chrome, and Safari.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christophe Strobbe
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Required Form Fields Question
>  
> Hi Geri,
> 
> On 6/03/2014 18:22, Druckman,Geri wrote:
> Easiest way to make sure  screen reader users know a certain field is required, in my opinion, is to add aria-required="true" to the input tag.
> 
> According to <http://www.html5accessibility.com/> HTML5's required attribute was already supported by Firefox 15 and Chrome 21 but not accessibility-supported by Internet Explorer 10. 
> Is aria-required better supported by assistive technologies? 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Christophe
> 
> 
> 
> For example for a first name text field:
> <input id="first-name" type="text" maxlength="50" value="" name="rel_first" aria-required="true" ></input>
>  
> I also recommended, here at MD Anderson, since most of our forms can get pretty lengthly, to add at the beginning of the form "All fields are required except those marked as optional.", and then only mark the optional fields with the word "Optional".  Makes it clearer and cleaner.
>  
>  
> Geri Druckman
> Web Development Specialist - Accessibility
> Department of Internet Services
> MD Anderson Cancer Center
> T 713-792-6293 | F 713-745-8134
>  
> From: <Homme>, James <james.homme@highmark.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:55 AM
> To: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Subject: Required Form Fields Question
> Resent-From: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Resent-Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:56 AM
>  
> Hi,
> If a required field symbol is on screen, immediately to the left of a form field, but outside the label tag, so that a screen reader user has to exit Form mode to see it, does that violate that a required field must be programmibly determined?
> Thanks.
> Jim
>  
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