RE: Required Form Fields Question

Hi,
It sounds like before HTML5, it was not possible to help assistive technology determine that a field is required from all of the answers so far. Am I understanding correctly?

Thanks.

Jim


From: Jonathan Avila [mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:05 PM
To: Homme, James; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Required Form Fields Question

Jim, this is the definition of programmatically determinable from WCAG:

programmatically determined (programmatically determinable)
determined by software from author-supplied data provided in a way that different user agents<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#useragentdef>, including assistive technologies<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#atdef>, can extract and present this information to users in different modalities
Example 1: Determined in a markup language from elements and attributes that are accessed directly by commonly available assistive technology.
Example 2: Determined from technology-specific data structures in a non-markup language and exposed to assistive technology via an accessibility API that is supported by commonly available assistive technology.

Jonathan

From: Homme, James [mailto:james.homme@highmark.com<mailto:james.homme@highmark.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:58 PM
To: Jonathan Avila; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Required Form Fields Question

Hi,
I was asking this question because maybe I am missing something when I'm jumping around reading on the intent page, the guideline  page, and the techniques page. The guideline says  that it has to be programmaticly determined or in text. The asterisks are there on the screen in text form. That satisfies that they have to be there in text. On the explanation of the criterian, it does talk about asterisks for form fields and it says that different modalities are involved. I freely admit that it is way more convenient for the asterisks to be right inside the label tags. I'm going to ask that the developer move them. I just want to make sure that first of all, I understand the requirement, and second of all, that if this has to work with forms mode turned on, that I understand why folks are saying this. Is this possibly in the explanation of the term programmatically determined?


From: Jonathan Avila [mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:03 PM
To: Homme, James; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: RE: Required Form Fields Question

[James wrote] If a required field symbol is on screen, immediately to the left of a form field, but outside the label tag, so that a screen reader user has to exit Form mode to see it, does that violate that a required field must be programmibly determined?

Yes, it is a violation of SC 1.3.1.

Jonathan


From: Homme, James [mailto:james.homme@highmark.com<mailto:james.homme@highmark.com>]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 11:56 AM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Required Form Fields Question

Hi,
If a required field symbol is on screen, immediately to the left of a form field, but outside the label tag, so that a screen reader user has to exit Form mode to see it, does that violate that a required field must be programmibly determined?

Thanks.

Jim


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