RE: Required Form Fields Question

Jim, this is the definition of programmatically determinable from WCAG:



*programmatically determined (programmatically determinable)*

determined by software from author-supplied data provided in a way that
different user agents<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#useragentdef>,
including assistive
technologies<http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#atdef>,
can extract and present this information to users in different modalities

*Example 1: *Determined in a markup language from elements and attributes
that are accessed directly by commonly available assistive technology.

*Example 2: *Determined from technology-specific data structures in a
non-markup language and exposed to assistive technology via an
accessibility API that is supported by commonly available assistive
technology.



Jonathan



*From:* Homme, James [mailto:james.homme@highmark.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:58 PM
*To:* Jonathan Avila; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
*Subject:* RE: Required Form Fields Question



Hi,

I was asking this question because maybe I am missing something when I'm
jumping around reading on the intent page, the guideline  page, and the
techniques page. The guideline says  that it has to be programmaticly
determined or in text. The asterisks are there on the screen in text form.
That satisfies that they have to be there in text. On the explanation of
the criterian, it does talk about asterisks for form fields and it says
that different modalities are involved. I freely admit that it is way more
convenient for the asterisks to be right inside the label tags. I'm going
to ask that the developer move them. I just want to make sure that first of
all, I understand the requirement, and second of all, that if this has to
work with forms mode turned on, that I understand why folks are saying
this. Is this possibly in the explanation of the term programmatically
determined?





*From:* Jonathan Avila
[mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>]

*Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:03 PM
*To:* Homme, James; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
*Subject:* RE: Required Form Fields Question



[James wrote] If a required field symbol is on screen, immediately to the
left of a form field, but outside the label tag, so that a screen reader
user has to exit Form mode to see it, does that violate that a required
field must be programmibly determined?



Yes, it is a violation of SC 1.3.1.



Jonathan





*From:* Homme, James [mailto:james.homme@highmark.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 11:56 AM
*To:* w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
*Subject:* Required Form Fields Question



Hi,

If a required field symbol is on screen, immediately to the left of a form
field, but outside the label tag, so that a screen reader user has to exit
Form mode to see it, does that violate that a required field must be
programmibly determined?



Thanks.



Jim




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