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Re: Technique H25 / real life

From: Matthieu Faure <ml@Open-S.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:19:40 +0100
Message-ID: <5270B30C.8030006@Open-S.com>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Thank you very much for your answers !

Matthieu

Le 29/10/2013 20:55, Foliot, John a écrit :
>
> +1 to Andrew.
>
> I get concerned whenever a hack or reliance on a bug is used to meet 
> “success” – it might work today, this month, and maybe even this year, 
> but experience has shown me that relying on a bug is a recipe for 
> problems down the road. While WCAG 2 no longer has a mandate to 
> produce conformant code (i.e. valid per the W3C validator), this is 
> invalid code, so we cannot be sure that it will work across all 
> browsers nor all browsers + AT configurations (as Andrew notes).
>
> I personally would even go so far as to suggest that any Technique 
> that also fails W3C validation should not be included in the WCAG 
> Techniques document – it is happy circumstance and nothing more.
>
> JF
>
> *From:*Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:13 PM
> *To:* Matthieu Faure; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: Technique H25 / real life
>
> Matthieu,
>
> According to the test procedure for H25 putting the title in the body 
> would fail H25.
>
> However, then the question is if you meet 2.4.2 or not.  You can meet 
> a success criteria without meeting a specific technique.  In this 
> case, it is nice that some user agents support adding the title to the 
> DOM and displaying the text in the window title, but given the number 
> of assistive technologies out there that also need to be tested to see 
> if this completely non-standard way of handling the title work as 
> desired, I’d far rather see the title element just used correctly.
>
> AWK
>
> *From:*Matthieu Faure [mailto:ml@Open-S.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:51 PM
> *To:* w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Technique H25 / real life
>
> Hello accessibility enthusiasts,
>
> I would like to have your opinion about the following point related to 
> technique H25 <http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H25.html>.
>
> The "procedure" section asks to look for the title element in the head 
> section. From a strict point of view, if a title is in the body, this 
> technique should be failed. *But*, in such a case, browsers (at least 
> Firefox, Opera and Chromium) do catch the title and present it to the 
> user.
>
> That being said, from your point of view, is technique H25 still failed ?
>
> Thank you for your answers !
> Matthieu
>
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