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RE: Technique H25 / real life

From: Foliot, John <john.foliot@chase.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:55:15 +0000
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, Matthieu Faure <ml@Open-S.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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+1 to Andrew.

I get concerned whenever a hack or reliance on a bug is used to meet “success” – it might work today, this month, and maybe even this year, but experience has shown me that relying on a bug is a recipe for problems down the road. While WCAG 2 no longer has a mandate to produce conformant code (i.e. valid per the W3C validator), this is invalid code, so we cannot be sure that it will work across all browsers nor all browsers + AT configurations (as Andrew notes).

I personally would even go so far as to suggest that any Technique that also fails W3C validation should not be included in the WCAG Techniques document – it is happy circumstance and nothing more.


From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:13 PM
To: Matthieu Faure; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Technique H25 / real life

According to the test procedure for H25 putting the title in the body would fail H25.

However, then the question is if you meet 2.4.2 or not.  You can meet a success criteria without meeting a specific technique.  In this case, it is nice that some user agents support adding the title to the DOM and displaying the text in the window title, but given the number of assistive technologies out there that also need to be tested to see if this completely non-standard way of handling the title work as desired, I’d far rather see the title element just used correctly.


From: Matthieu Faure [mailto:ml@Open-S.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:51 PM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Technique H25 / real life

Hello accessibility enthusiasts,

I would like to have your opinion about the following point related to technique H25<http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H25.html>.

The "procedure" section asks to look for the title element in the head section. From a strict point of view, if a title is in the body, this technique should be failed. But, in such a case, browsers (at least Firefox, Opera and Chromium) do catch the title and present it to the user.

That being said, from your point of view, is technique H25 still failed ?

Thank you for your answers !
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