Re: Using aria-labelledby instead of <label> element

Hi Michael,

"One point of consideration is whether your "data table" is really a data
table in this context, or if it is actually a presentation table that is
using the col and row headers as labels. That may seem like a fine
distinction, but housing inputs in a data table can potentially affect the
behaviour of some assistive technologies."

definitely, use of tables for layout in this context or any is not good, we
find a lot of this in web based applications, but role=presentation is a
viable option if the tables cannot be removed.

>We recommended using the aria technique unless backward compatibility was
an issue.

agree

regards
steve

On 22 March 2012 17:10, Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com> wrote:

> We have recently used both techniques to give remediation advice to a
> client with something very similar where radio buttons were located in each
> cell. Both aria-labelledby and the use of title appear to function fine
> with keyboard and screen reader. We recommended using the aria technique
> unless backward compatibility was an issue. One point of consideration is
> whether your "data table" is really a data table in this context, or if it
> is actually a presentation table that is using the col and row headers as
> labels. That may seem like a fine distinction, but housing inputs in a data
> table can potentially affect the behaviour of some assistive technologies.
>
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> From:        Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> To:        Ramón Corominas <listas@ramoncorominas.com>
> Cc:        WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Date:        03/22/2012 09:47 AM
> Subject:        Re: Using aria-labelledby instead of <label> element
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>
>
>
> Another possibility is to use the title attribute on the inputs to provide
> the label.
>
> for example: *
> http://www.paciellogroup.com/presentations/CSUN08/webapps/#slide24*<http://www.paciellogroup.com/presentations/CSUN08/webapps/#slide24>
>
> regards
> Stevef
>
> On 22 March 2012 11:22, Ramón Corominas <*listas@ramoncorominas.com*<listas@ramoncorominas.com>>
> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We are developing a tool to manage different fields related to many
> records in a dataset. The information is presented as a data table to show
> and edit the values of each record, so the column headers act as labels for
> each field, and row headers identify each record. For example, imagine that
> you have a chess shop:
>
> Columns: Piece, color, material, unit price
> Rows: King, Queen, Rook, Knight, Bishop, Pawn
>
> Thus, we need to construct the "label" for each field combining both row
> and column headers "Queen color", "Knight unit price", etc. We have tested
> aria-labelledby to do this, and it seems to work fine with all the screen
> readers and platforms that we have tested (JAWS & NVDA w/ IE & FF,
> VoiceOver w/ Safari). We have also seen that this technique has been
> submitted to the WCAG WG [1]. However, I cannot find it in the Techniques
> document, so I don't know if there is a reason to avoiding it.
>
> What do you think? Would it be acceptable to use aria-labelledby as the
> only way to label a form control?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ramón.
>
> [1] Associating multiple labels with a form control using ARIA-LABELLEDBY*
> **http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2010Aug/0000.html
> *<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2010Aug/0000.html>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Steve Faulkner
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