- From: david poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:12:13 -0500
- To: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net>
- Cc: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
ada but they don't have standards for implenenting accessibility. Johnnie Apple Seed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net> To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com> Cc: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, david poehlman wrote: > > bob, I have not found them in the regs. I just found a short reference to it in Title II of ADA where it says to be able to use "..a text browser such as Lynx..." Bob > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net> > To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com> > Cc: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, david poehlman wrote: > > > On the discussions of the 508 standards on the 508 list, we are told > > that > > lynx and pine are not a good test of the standards. > > and I know that they are not the greatest test, but they are mentioned in > the regs, I usually test a lot of other ways too but usually the first > pass is via LYNX I figure if it doesn't pass that it doesn't have a > chance. > > Bob > > > > > > > Johnnie Apple Seed > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Access Systems" <accessys@smart.net> > > To: "David Woolley" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk> > > Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:20 PM > > Subject: Re: Who makes law Re: UK Businesses Reject Accessible Web Sites > > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, David Woolley wrote: > > > > > > I think one of the points of the article was that some businesses > > > > don't > > > > consider the existing laws appropriate - neither for business, nor > > > > for > > > > people with disabilities. Of course, that's effectively a local > > > > biritsh > > > > > > The way I read it was that they don't think they are appropriate > > > because > > > there is a reasonableness test. Generally businesses don't mind > > > complying > > > with accessibility legislation as long as: > > > > > > - all their competitors incur the same compliance cost; > > > - it is easy to work out exactly what to do to comply at the absolute > > > minimum cost. > > > > > > Having UK law reference WCAG would go part way there, but you still > > > have > > > the Bobby problem. The businesses almost certainly want mechanically > > > verifiable rules, with no judgement calls. > > > > all people want to "know" when they are in the clear, put up a sign on a > > road that the speed limit is "reasonable" you understand the confusion. > > > > I'm not sure how to solve this as it is a moving target. buried > > somewhere > > in the US regulations, (and I can't find it at the moment) it says that > > if > > a site is able to present all information in a format that can be read > > by > > LYNX or PINE it is substantially compliant. now what does that "Really" > > mean but at least it is a start. > > > > wish I had a simple answer, I test stuff in LYNX using a linux operating > > system, I figure if it works there it will work just about anywhere, but > > I've been nailed by a few sites that work fine that way and won't work > > in > > something else... > > > > Bob > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see > > http://expita.com/nomime.html > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > - > > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys@smartnospam.net > > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, > > engineers > > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > > privileged. 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