- From: david poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
- Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:09:33 -0400
- To: "wai-ig list" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi all, We've been having this discussion and here is the most recent message of the thread which has some interesting thoughts in it. I have not cross posted because of potential complications with replies, but it might be helpful for this discussion to take place here given our expertise and wide knowledge. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Asner" <gsasner@RIPCO.COM> To: <BLIND-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Scambusters Recommends Against Using Internet Explorer Catherine There are two or three things to consider: First, Since Internet Explorer and Outlook Express are the main browser and e-mail program in use, virus writers and spyware writers focus on these programs. While Microsoft doesn't do as much as it could as fast as it could to make these programs as secure as possible, any other browser or e-mail program that became popular would be specifically targeted as well. I can also tell you with certainty that if a user of Internet Explorer and Outlook Express takes the proper precautions, then he/she is not at much risk for infection by viruses nor from spyware. While identity theft is a problem, there are all sorts of ways in which that occurs and the problems with spyware and viruses isn't nearly the whole picture. I bet lots more people suffer identity theft by answering scam e-mails that look as though they come from legitimate companies than do by being infected by viruses or spyware. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be worried about potential problems with Internet Explorer or Outlook Express but, and I am not saying this disrespectfully, since you don't regularly use Windows programs and don't like Microsoft and since these kinds of reports come up often, you are greatly exaggerating the danger. Perhaps you aren't exaggerating it for someone who doesn't have a good antivirus program and either a good antispyware program or who doesn't know how to set Internet Explorer and Outlook Express for the best protection and who doesn't keep Windows critical updates current but for those who take precautions, there simply isn't much danger. These programs really aren't hard to use and if someone is not technically inclined and doesn't want to know how to do these things, most or perhaps all the functions of these programs can be automated so the user seldom has to do anything. Technically, the main reason that other browsers don't work well with screen-readers is that in order for them to do so, screen-reader manufacturers and designers would have to specifically program through scripts, set files, perhaps with code built into the screen-reader itself,the ability for the screen-reader to work with each browser. Even using Microsoft Active Accessibility, MSAA, wouldn't help matters in terms of making more browsers accessible because for this to work, the browser designer would have to encorporate MSAA into the browser ore e-mail program and then screen-reader designers would have to [program on their end to allow the browser to work properly. I agree that blind people should have a choice of more than one browser. but how many? My opinion is that Netscape should be the other. Netscape is used in some work places and it's probably the most important browser after Internet Explorer in terms of meeting the needs of blind people. Netscape is not currently properly accessible. They are supposed to be making an accessible version. Let's see how long it takes. I'm talking about the designers of Netscape, not screen-reader designers. With all the other needs blind computer users have for access to other widely used programs, I certainly wouldn't want to see screen-reader designers divert time and resources away from these other programs to make more browsers accessible. What all this boils down to, in summary, is that while security is a problem, it's not nearly as severe as it seems from the frightening reports one sees. It is possible, without all that much trouble, to protect oneself from most threats, perhaps almost all. And given the very good access Internet Explorer and modern screen-readers give to the Internet, there is no other remotely reasonable alternative if one wants access to full Internet functionality. I can't comment with much knowledge about those using Linux (spelling) but I'd be very doubtful that Linux screen-readers provide nearly as good access. I use a Windows browser, the old Home Page Reader, which I consider, in some ways to be superior to Internet Explorer. Mainly it loads pages much faster on a dial-up connection and I like the interface more. But it is as limited as using a shell account because it doesn't support scripting. If one is really interested in using the Internet fully, at least for Windows users, there isn't anything comparable to Internet Explorer. And let's keep things in perspective in another way. In the old days, before Windows 95 and newer versions, it was considerably more work learning how to set up and use a terminal program and also learning how, with many screen-readers, to set them to work properly while online. so, while using an antivirus program and doing the other things necessary to protect yourself seem like lots of work, you're forgetting that it was no picnic before either. It's a question of what was more work, in the early days, it was learning how to connect and setting up one's screen-reader. Now it's protecting yourself. Gene
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