- From: Tim Roberts <tim@wiseguysonly.com>
- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:10:28 +0200
- To: Kynn Bartlett <kynn@idyllmtn.com>
- CC: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Once again, good point. But I guess at the end of a day it cannot be judged by anyone. I think a better way is to help with useful comments. I think you and I both try do this Kynn, and I know we both do more accessibility work for love than the sort which lines our pockets. I really was interested, because the RNIB site was quite a bit off the mark and I think they realise that. They do after-all welcome comments. So lets not judge, lets maybe help. Tim Kynn Bartlett wrote: > > On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 07:57 AM, Tim Roberts wrote: > >> Can I rephrase the question to say, do you think that for a site >> that promotes >> accessible web content the job is good enough? > > > I don't know for sure. > > One point I have been making recently, when dealing with students in > my class, is that it's not my job -- as an apparent "expert" -- to > tell other people what to do. > > Rather, it's my job as an _educator_ to give people the information > they need in order to decide what to do. > > Thus, if someone asks me, "which should I do, (a) or (b)?", I'll > strive to see that they understand the consequences of each choice > and the implications and costs associated with those choices. > > There are a number of factors which are involved in any decision > regarding the accessibility of a site, ranging from internal > politics to technical considerations; from legal requirements to > business return-on-investment analyses. Without having those > factors available to me, I couldn't advise properly. > > For example, let's say that someone publishes a Web site which > doesn't fully meet WCAG 1.0 -- the first question to ask is > why? The second question is "how can this be changed?" and > that involves a deeper understanding of what's going on. > > Let's say, hypothetically, that a given organization champions > Web accessibility, but their Web site isn't so hot by modern > standards of Web design. First we have to determine why. > Since this is hypothetical, let's assume the answer is, "Because > we have a limited budget and so we did it in-house. Our Web > developer is not a professional developer and so her skills > aren't as good as some people's skills. She learned HTML > a few years ago by reading a book, and maintains a Web site > for her knitting club as a hobby." > > Okay, so that's the "why." Now for the "how" -- there are a > number of possible solutions. The easiest is to insist that > the poor designer be replaced -- but that's easy to say, and > hard to do in practice, as we're talking about someone's job. > > Next we might say "hire an outside agency to develop the > site" -- but the reason this hypothetical organization had > our poor designer create the site is because of money concerns. > Maybe they're cash-strapped, and the majority of their money > goes to other services -- so when prioritizing, it was > determined that it's okay for their site to be "just okay." > > Maybe we could solve the problem by educating the Web > developer. The direct cost could be lower ($80 each for a > few IWA/HWG classes, $40 each for a couple books, etc.) but > there's also a time cost. Can our developer spare the time > from her other duties to take the time out for classes? Can > the Web site be delayed for the time -- from a few days to > several months -- necessary for her to become skilled? > > Okay, so maybe you can answer some of those questions -- it's > easy, sitting back and criticizing, saying "they didn't do it > right." It's harder, of course, to write out a hefty check to > a charity [e.g., 1] so that they could potentially hire a better > Web developer. > > But my point is this: The state of any given Web site's > accessibility may be far more complex than simply looking at the > site and deciding that it "passes" or doesn't. I am particularly > concerned with the notion that sites -must- be forced/shamed into > meeting a specific standard publicly debated by "experts" -- who > may have no particular knowledge of the design factors around > the site. > > I don't know if the site is "good enough" -- by what standards are > you suggesting we judge them? My personal opinion? > > --Kynn > > [1] > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/ > public_appeal.hcsp > -- > Kynn Bartlett <kynn@idyllmtn.com> http://kynn.com > Chief Technologist, Idyll Mountain http://idyllmtn.com > Author, CSS in 24 Hours http://cssin24hours.com > Inland Anti-Empire Blog http://blog.kynn.com/iae > Shock & Awe Blog http://blog.kynn.com/shock > >
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