- From: Graham Oliver <goliver@accease.com>
- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:33:52 +1200
- To: "'Isofarro'" <w3evangelism@faqportal.uklinux.net>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
If it is just waffle then we are both in trouble as I agree with most (if not all) of what you are saying. <grin> I came across this article www.macromedia.com/macromedia/accessibility/pub/acc_sites_chap01.pdf yesterday from Shawn Lawton Henry, referenced from here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2003JanMar/0032.html (please note the comments at the end about the pdf thing). It seems to be talking about the same issue(s) again from a slightly different perspective. I got the link to the BBCi accessibility study from the newsletter from the RNIB that I find really good. Cheers Graham On Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:00 PM, Isofarro [SMTP:w3evangelism@faqportal.uklinux.net] wrote: > Graham, > > (Firstly, thanks for the links to the BBCi accessibility study - they will > come in handy for me trying to write a web development guide) > > > > If I can try to restate to gain clarification you are saying that > accessibility > > is basically a 2 step process. > > There are two "actions" involved, but I'm not sure whether there is a worthy > checkpoint at the end of the first "step" (the automated check). Is a > website accessible if it passes a AccessValet/Bobby/CynthiaSays test? I > don't think we can meaningfully separate the two actions and provide a > halfway point. I would rather suggest doing both steps simultaneously, since > there's nothing to be gained by separating them out. > > Lets take an often seen example (HTML 4): > <img src="image15.gif" height="100" width="75" alt="image15.gif"> > > This would pass an automated check since there is an alt attribute and it > contains alternative text. Is it accessible though? I would say no, purely > because the alt text does not provide an alternative textual representation > of the image (unless the graphic that displays the words image15.gif). > > > 1. Check with the automated tools. > > 2. Check (by an accessibility expert) those things that can't be checked > with > > the automated tools. > > May I make a suggestion (sorry to nit-pick) - that we replace the term > "accessibility expert" (in this context) with the term "human being" or "web > author" or "web designer". I'm no accessibility expert, although there are > many people on this mailing list that can claim this, yet following a WCAG > checklist and understanding the guidelines does not require an accessibility > expert. > > This does not mean that there is no place for an accessibility expert, since > they provide a very useful and important role - they build on the WCAG both > by pointing out its deficiencies, and offering alternative solutions. I see > the WCAG as an understanding of accessibility issues and best practice so > far. I fully expect it to be a living document that grows along with our > understanding of accessibility issues. As new ideas are generated, > challenged and proven, they are added to the WCAG. That's the vital role for > accessibility experts - to see beyond the WCAG, address its weaknesses. > > > then usability is built upon that base. > > Usability can be built on any base - accessible or inaccessible. I'd like to > believe that accessibility makes usability changes easier. > > > I guess that we are back to definitions again. > > > > I would class 1 and 2 together to mean 'Technically Accessible' although I > > understand that I would probably be in a minority here. Most people would > > probably class those as 'Accessible' > > I would classify the above as being "Generally Accessible according to > WCAG", with the relevant A, AA, or AAA conformance. It may not be fully > accessible, this is where an accessibility expert certainly helps - when you > need accessibility above and beyond WCAG. > > You have a valuable point that is important to make, and needs to be made as > often and as loudly as possible. Passing an automated accessibility checker > does not guarantee that a website is accessible. The automation is there to > reduce the human effort required to check accessibility issues against WCAG. > Its a complements human effort, but does not fully replace. > > Usability builds onto a website, whether it is accessible or not (as Lois > Wakeman's analogy neatly captures). > > I guess the quirk we face is the "embrace and extend" of usability experts > in leveraging accessibility for their intended purposes - this is beneficial > for visitors with disabilities, since they are looking at devices in use by > people with disabilities (for example Nielsen's "Beyond ALT Text"). I fully > believe in catering for all audiences with accessible content, but not just > the disabled. I'd like to think that "structure- and semantic-aware client > tools" are part of the group benefitting from accessibility - that can > automate many of the dull repetitive web tasks we seem to manually labour > through each and every day (catch up on daily reads such as news/blogs, > check a web-based mail service, evaluate the results of a search). > > With usability, then, we need to make sure that it doesn't come at the cost > of accessibility, but as a complement of accessibility. I'm not sure that > there's a consistent logical progression from accessibility to usability. At > some stage we'll probably hit a trade-off decision - usability or > accessibility. Which factor takes preference is probably largely dependant > on the situation. > > (I'm in two minds in sending this, if it is just waffle like one part of my > brain tells me, my apologies). > Mike >
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