RE: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal website

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, John Foliot - bytown internet wrote:

sometimes other countries can "see" so clearly

> For what it's worth, the Canadian Federal Government offers the following
> testing/verification steps for GoC web sites:
> 
> Interesting to note is that this list *is* vendor neutral.  While Bob's
> points are certainly with merit, I would suggest that if the page "makes
> sense" in the text only browser (as recommended above) that most if not all
> screen reading technologies will be able to access the page content.

I don't think I could have said it better, Lynx from what I know is the
reccomended text browser since it is basic, free, and works on most if not
all operating systems....the vendor neutral part is critical.

Bob

> 
> JF
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> > Behalf Of Nissen, Dan E
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:08 AM
> > To: WAI-IG
> > Subject: RE: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal
> > w ebsite
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi!
> > I see a whole lot of criticism of what is a pretty minimal
> > description of a
> > part of an activity that is definitely going to be better than
> > not doing it.
> > The stick seems to be all some of you know how to do.  How about
> > the carrot
> > and see if we can encourage people to start down this road
> > without setting a
> > standard none of us can meet?  No way all the discussed
> > environments need to
> > be tested if the AT follows the standards and the web site is
> > also designed
> > to the standards.
> >
> > The expectations are way up there and the criticism is pretty quick on the
> > draw.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@comcast.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:18 AM
> > To: Joe Clark; WAI-IG
> > Subject: Re: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal
> > website
> >
> >
> >
> > any testing which reaches the rong conconclusions and passes them off as
> > correct is bad.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Clark" <joeclark@joeclark.org>
> > To: "WAI-IG" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Rockville, MD- Seeking low vision users for testing federal
> > website
> >
> >
> >
> > > As others have mentioned, this is not the right approach to testing
> > > website accessibility.  At best it tests one narrowly-defined aspect
> > > of accessibility
> >
> > ...which nonetheless needs testing.
> >
> > > at worst it risks reinforcing any bad practices
> > > you may have - such as authoring to browser behaviour at the expense
> > > of presenting the website contents clearly
> >
> > ...which you have no evidence they are doing.
> >
> > > Both JAWS and Window-Eyes deal with one particular disability
> >
> > ...which nonetheless requires accommodation, and these are the two
> > most popular ways to do it.
> >
> > > Both are themselves inaccessible to many users, by virtue of cost
> > > and the prerequisites required to install them
> >
> > ...which is irrelevant and a tiresome albatross hung around the
> > necks of the accessibility "movement." By this reasoning, no
> > adaptive technology should be developed if it cannot be handed out
> > for free to everyone who could possibly use it.
> >
> > If you disagree with the planned testing of actual disabled users,
> > don't participate in it. But we need more such testing, and, as I
> > argue in my book, even sub-optimal testing of disabled users beats
> > the heck out of none at all.
> >
> > --
> >
> >   Joe Clark  |  joeclark@joeclark.org
> >   Author, _Building Accessible Websites_
> >   <http://joeclark.org/access/> | <http://joeclark.org/book/>
> >
> >
> 
> 

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