- From: Jim Ley <jim@jibbering.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:24:31 -0000
- To: "'Joe Clark'" <joeclark@joeclark.org>, "WAI \(E-mail\)" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
"'Joe Clark'" <joeclark@joeclark.org>; "WAI (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> The message from Joe Clark does not appear in the archives, can we find out what is going wrong and how many other messages are being dropped? > You also said: > > >The honest answer is "The requirement to be able to run without > >JavaScript is outdated and has been superseded by the simple fact > >that every screen reader save for OutSpoken for Macintosh sits on top > >of IE and uses IE's own renderings, JavaScript included." > > Which makes me breathe a sigh of relief. I know that there are accessible > ways to use Javascript, You do? Would you care to expand on them, people with that knowledge seem extremely thin on the ground and http://www.learningdifficulty.org/develop/w3c-scripts.html is always looking for examples. > but I have very little experience with screen > readers. I also agree that the requirement is outdated. Just like "text > only" versions of web sites. I disagree entirely, for a start http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-DOM-Level-2-HTML-20011210/html.html says "The interfaces found within this section are not mandatory." so we can't rely on any DOM being in existence (beyond hasFeature ) in browsers which fully support w3c recommendations (not that any currently do of course.) and without a DOM - ECMAscript is wholly useless (even the w3's DOM's require proprietary portions to be used.) ECMAScript can certainly be used to increase accessibilty - although I'm despairing to find a concrete significant example of this that actually works across even the browsers I test on. There are a great many arguments as to why not requiing ECMAScript isn't an outdated requirement, but I see little point in advancing them when the only suggested reason why it's ok - is that "everyone uses IE." which is clearly preposterous. Jim. Joe Clark cc'd to request he reposts the message for the archives.
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