RE: on the future: was: Re: forms problem

I'm still hung up on the wording of the current checkpoint (10.1), it seems
a tad vague. It states that we shouldn't be changing the current window
without informing the user...

So I use 'title' within all <A> tags linking to the pop-up window
(indicating that it will be opened in a new window), coupled with text on
the pop-up page as to how to navigate and close the pop-up. But on the other
hand, this checkpoint also states that I shouldn't be using pop-ups in the
first place?

Am I interpreting this wrong?

Dave Cobb

-----Original Message-----
From: David Poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@home.com]
Sent: 15 January 2002 15:04
To: Scarlett Julian (ED); David.Cobb@rnib.org.uk; DPawson@rnib.org.uk;
w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: on the future: was: Re: forms problem


Perhaps this needs to be entirely reworked to say that in the future,
technologies will be able to use this and be readily available and
usable by assistive technologies,  till then...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
To: "'David Poehlman'" <poehlman1@home.com>; <David.Cobb@rnib.org.uk>;
<DPawson@rnib.org.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: on the future: was: Re: forms problem


>... become prevalent"

How prevalent? 50% usage worldwide? 50% of total browsers available? I
agree
that the wording "until user agents.." is vague but adding more
vagueness
doesn't help.

Julian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:12 PM
> To: David.Cobb@rnib.org.uk; DPawson@rnib.org.uk; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: on the future: was: Re: forms problem
>
>
> We are always looking towards the future, but a flaw in this
> until thing
> is that it seems to me not to be explicit enough in that just because
> something is possible does not mean that it will be done.  In other
> words, it goes back to the old question of whether or not I should
> implement something because the latest and greatest and a narrow
> selection of those makes it possible?  We have to maintain a
> groundedness in the current reality even in the future in
> which it takes
> a long time for the world to catch up.  So, in my view, we should look
> at "untill" to mean. "untill user agents that ... become prevalent"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <David.Cobb@rnib.org.uk>
> To: <poehlman1@home.com>; <DPawson@rnib.org.uk>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:49 AM
> Subject: RE: forms problem
>
>
> Just to re-iterate what was originally mentioned regarding pop-ups...
>
> Checkpoint 10.1 states '... do not cause pop-ups or other windows to
> appear
> ...'
> Surely this implies that we shouldn't be using pop-up windows at all!?
>
> I understand that this is one guideline that is 'until user agents
> allow',
> if future browsers enable users to disable spawned windows,
> then having
> any
> content in a pop-up window is not a feasible solution?
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Cobb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@home.com]
> Sent: 15 January 2002 13:21
> To: DPawson@rnib.org.uk; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: forms problem
>
>
> I would suggest that the site be designed so that this is minimized so
> for instance, if you want instructions on how to use the form, that is
> what you get,  you can put a link to the help from the form and a link
> to the form from the help and do some other things to minimize
> navigation problems but the fact is that if people don't learn how to
> use their browsers to go back and forth between pages, they
> are going to
> have trouble just about everywhere.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DPawson@rnib.org.uk>
> To: <poehlman1@home.com>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 8:18 AM
> Subject: RE: forms problem
>
>
> thanks David.
> What about the navigation problems, flicking back and forward?
> How much of an issue do you perceive that to be for a new user?
>
> Regards DaveP
>
>
>
> > in that case, onclick would be a joy and many other things would be
> > solved.  From my years of use on the web and with forms in
> > particular, I
> > find the little examples spread through out the form to be quite
> > helpful.  This can even be suplemented with a little tutorial
> > on how to
> > fill out the form that people can look at before they fill
> > out the form
> > as many times as they wish.  you can put the tutorial into several
> > formats one of them being flash so that the graphical user
> > can take full
> > advantage of it.  In some ways, this is an intrieguing
> question as it
> > brings up a whole host of other questions that we have
> > discussed in some
> > form or another on this list before.  This is a situation
> > which is going
> > to cause problems or dissatisfaction for some no matter
> what you do so
> > what can be done to minimize access barriers?  The answer
> is that if a
> > help is required, treat it like help.  On this page, there
> is a form.
> > to recieve instructions on filling in this form, go to the
> > help page and
> > then return to fill in the form.  the form can link to the
> > help page and
> > vice versa and have little examples through it so that the
> swift don't
> > have to slow down too much.
>
>
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