Re: Bobby inaccuracy?

I was thinking of the logo as the first image.  For the one you site,
how about "corporate requirement" <grin>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
To: "'David Poehlman'" <poehlman1@home.com>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: RE: Bobby inaccuracy?


>the second alt tag is meaningful.  The first is not.

I was under the impression that for images that convey no meaning
whatsoever
it was best to include an empty alt text thus alt=""

The image in question is a horizontal line in Corporate colours required
by
our Council design guidelines (believe me, if I had my way it'd just be
a
<hr>)and as such conveys nothing useful to a user (sighted or
otherwise).

What would you suggest as a suitable piece of text? maybe
alt="meaningless
image, please ignore"?

thanks
Julian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Poehlman [mailto:poehlman1@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:04 PM
> To: Scarlett Julian (ED); w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Bobby inaccuracy?
>
>
> This formulation is often used to mark up different types of
> items such
> as new or discontinued and often, the images are differently colored
> swatches, circles, butterflies whatever and the attention drawer is to
> insure that if this is indeed the case, the image should not
> be the only
> way in the link that the information about the property of the item is
> conveyed that is conveyed by it.
>
> I'd like to make a further comment on the code sample though.  the
> second alt tag is meaningful.  The first is not.   I have not
> looked at
> the others.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scarlett Julian (ED)" <Julian.Scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk>
> To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:08 AM
> Subject: Bobby inaccuracy?
>
>
> I've just run a AAA Bobby test on a page and although it passed it
> included
> the usual user checks on colour and images conveying information.
> However it
> flagged all lines with <img> in the section about using
> colour to convey
> information as well as that about using images.
>
> If you use color to convey information, make sure the information is
> also
> represented another way.
> <http://bobby.cast.org:80/bobby/html/en/gls/g245.html> (5 instances)
> Line 26: <div class="imageplacer"><a
> href="http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/"><img src="img/scclogohome.gif"
> width="90" height="70" alt="Sheffield City Council Logo - hyperlink to
> Sheffield City Council home page " border="0"></a>.</div>
> Line 38: <img src="img/grad_lft.jpg" width="100%" height="5" alt="">
> <br>
> Line 39: <div style="height: 280; width: 400; border: none; float:
> right"><img src="img/education.jpg" width="300" height="211"
> alt="Primary
> school children using modelling clay in a classroom">
> Line 78: <div style="height: 280; width: 400; border: none; float:
> right;
> margin-right: 5%"><img src="img/education2.jpg" width="350"
> height="238"
> alt="Primary school children playing basketball."></div>
> Line 121: <div align="right"><img src="img/grad_rht.jpg" width="100%"
> height="5" alt=""><a name="4"></a>.
> If an image conveys important information beyond what is in its
> alternative
> text, provide an extended description.
> <http://bobby.cast.org:80/bobby/html/en/gls/g12.html> (5 instances)
> Line 26: <div class="imageplacer"><a
> href="http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/"><img src="img/scclogohome.gif"
> width="90" height="70" alt="Sheffield City Council Logo - hyperlink to
> Sheffield City Council home page " border="0"></a>.</div>
> Line 38: <img src="img/grad_lft.jpg" width="100%" height="5" alt="">
> <br>
> Line 39: <div style="height: 280; width: 400; border: none; float:
> right"><img src="img/education.jpg" width="300" height="211"
> alt="Primary
> school children using modelling clay in a classroom">
> Line 78: <div style="height: 280; width: 400; border: none; float:
> right;
> margin-right: 5%"><img src="img/education2.jpg" width="350"
> height="238"
> alt="Primary school children playing basketball."></div>
> Line 121: <div align="right"><img src="img/grad_rht.jpg" width="100%"
> height="5" alt=""><a name="4"></a>.
>
> I've looked at the relevant guidelines (WAI checkpint 2.1) and can see
> no
> reason for this.
>
> Can anyone enlighten me?
>
> tia
> Julian
>
>
> Julian Scarlett
> Web Design & Document Management System Officer
> PPU
> Education Directorate
> Sheffield City Council
> 0114 2735721
> mob 07904914976
> julian.scarlett@sheffield.gov.uk
>
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