- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:08:44 -0500 (EST)
- To: Cynthia Waddell <Cynthia.Waddell@psinetcs.com>
- cc: Denise Wood <Denise_Wood@operamail.com>, WAI IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
it was something llikehttp://www.australianopen.com.au - I forget exactly,
but anyway it isn't the same thing tere anymore, although I don't know what
it has now. Perhaps Phill Jenkins can get us a snapshot section. Otherwise
looking for Australian Open Tennis should find it.
cheers
Charles
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Cynthia Waddell wrote:
Charles,
Do you have the url for the Australian Tennis Open? I would be interested
to see it.
Thanks,
Cynthia Waddell
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:44 AM
To: Denise Wood
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Legal requirements RE: statistics
I wouold like to dispute a point in this email. It was suggested that the
Olympics case had no impact, as shown by the inaccessible site prodced for
the Salt Lake Winter Games. However, I would like to contrast this with the
sitre produced for the Australian Tennis Open (which was going to be subject
to the same courts, and was produced by the same company for a different
commissioning organisation). That site was, in my opinion, a highpoint in
the
development of accessible sites, providing real time access in different
forms to results in progress.
Also, I am participating in this discussion, and I do not think that
legislation is the primary reason why a site should be accessible - it is
there because there are other good reasons, and it is a good way to get
people's attention, in my opinion. (In genera I don't think that a law is a
good reason for anything - it is either a reflection of scoiety's
understanding that there is a good reason for something, or it is just a bad
idea. But thats a whole different discussion for a different group <grin/>)
cheers
Charles
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Denise Wood wrote:
Simon, I agree with your comment that it is "...a shame that we have the
need
for this kind of legislation when we are all human beings, not something
to be
labelled." I doubt any one contributing to this discussion would regard
legislation as the primary reason that a web site should be accessible.
However, as Cynthia points out, we need legislation because barriers still
exist that prevent some people from accessing Web sites. Regrettably, many
of
the arguments used to support the case for Web accessibility (such as the
human rights arguments, the business arguments, and the universal design
arguments) have failed to convince companies and organizations. That is
why we
often do need to fall back on legislation to present the most compelling
case
for Web accessibility. However, even then, test cases such as the Bruce
Lindsay Maguire v Sydney Organizing Committee for the Olympic Games case
fail
to achieve the desired change in attitude/behavior. For example, many of
you
will recall the posting by Mike Burks in October last year when he
suggested
people review the Salt Lake Olympic site which at that time also
demonstrated
accessibility problems.So the Salt Lake Web site organizing committee and
developers had obviously not taken heed of the precedent set in relation
to
the Sydney Olympic Web site.
>From my experience, citing legislation, and even better, referring to
specific
test cases does at least get people to listen. Convincing them to act is
another issue. My preferred approach is to to refer to legislation within
the
context of an overall presentation on why Web sites should be accessible.
Such
a presentation presents all of the compelling arguments without ignoring
the
primary focus being that every person has a right to access information
and
participate regardless of disability, socio-economic circumstances and
their
geographical location. At the end of the day though, I believe that in
many
cases, the most compelling argument for many companies will be the
legislative
implications arising from failure to make their Web site accessible.
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Denise
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