- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:02:32 -0500
- To: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>, Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Windows in addition to High contrast allows the user to "style the tooltip" start | Settings | Control Panel | Display | Appearance | Tab to "Item" choose "tooltip" you can then change the 'font', 'size', and 'color' it will work in windows, IE, Microsoft application and most other application (not Opera) Jim Allan, Webmaster & Statewide Technical Support Specialist Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ "I see the Earth. It is so beautiful."--first words spoken by human in space. [Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin, from the Vostok 1, April 12, 1961.] -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:33 PM To: Phill Jenkins; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Re: visibility of 'skip links' the low vision keyboard user cannot enlarge the tool tip? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phill Jenkins" <pjenkins@us.ibm.com> To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: visibility of 'skip links' There is also the option of putting some styling on the small clear image gif (on Focus) that would have a tool tip (title attribute) that would show up when tabbed to or when the mouse hovered over it. The sighted keyboard user would see the tool tip when tabbing to links, the blind user would hear the link, and the mouse user would see the tooltip when mousing around. The visual design debate still exists about how to identify that there is a link there. I hadn't heard of the visible arrow idea before. I have seen the use of plain old text (styled small) instead of an image link, but that was not well received by the visual design community. So, if the sighted keyboard user can live with using the tab key to find all the links, even those associated with very small image links, then most everyone is satisfied. There are problems with the screen reader and voicing browser support of visibility: hidden and display:none. This is a fundamental problem with the concept of screen readers since they come from a notion that if it isn't displayed, it isn't spoken. Some web developers don't know which property to use when (the spec alludes to a difference), and even if the screen reader and voicing browsers did agree and support them consistently, there is no guarantee that the properties would be used correctly. Screen Reader developers have a history of hacking around to get to their users some equivalent of what the sighted users gets. When developers hide content with display:none, it also needs to be hidden from the screen reader users. However the visibility:hidden property, if used correctly, could be a solution when the voicing browser, screen readers, and the multi modal browsers support it correctly. So for today I would recommend the very small image link solution. Regards, Phill --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002
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