- From: Harry Woodrow <harrry@email.com>
- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:00:40 +0800
- To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
- Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
As no one aparently considers that the knowledge level of the user is of importance ( at least judging on the overwealming response <grin>) ...or maybe just arent interested in the users :( I will throw in my comments on another part of Charles's post regarding Javascript below indicated by HW: -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Charles McCathieNevile Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2001 10:08 AM To: Tina Marie Holmboe Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Fresh start? Re: Minimal Browser Capabilities When this thread started it was about what are the minimum capabilities we can expect users to have (through their browsers). Very little data has come out of it, so I am going to break this question into several smaller questions, and see if we can get more signal. What "should" users be able to deal with? I will leave this for now. What can users deal with? This is a critical question for WCAG - if we believe that users can deal with Javascript, then it is no longer a disability issue but rather a device independence or philosophy issue. If we do not believe so, then we need to work on how to make javascript accessible but also how to make things accessible without javascript. HW: My view, which is based on the principle that if it is resonably possible for the user to obtain suitable software they are not being discriminated against if they chose not to do so, is that the use of javascript is reasonable on a site but should definitely NOT be the only or even the most obvious means of navigation. In cases such as the use of it to control advertising etc I cannot see that the user is put in a worse position than any other user of the site providing other rules are maintained...ie no changing focus without advising the user, preserving the "back button" etc. As far as the use of Javascript for form validation I feel it should be permitted. This does not prevent a user with any disability I know of using the site more than anyone else unless of course he/she decides to turn scripting off. I feel validation is reasonable however all sites should provide a contact and be prepared to accept orders in other forms if needed. I know there will be controversy about this but surely that is the purpose of this discussion, to get a wide variety of views. My focus is a user based one, not just focussing on specific points of the technology. What counts is whether it is possible to use the site, not wheter I can use the site in the way I want to do so. Harry Woodrow charles
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