- From: Denise Wood <Denise.Wood@unisa.edu.au>
- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:19:06 +0930
- To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
- Message-ID: <E1962E8F1DF0D411878300A0C9ACB0F902463755@exstaff4.magill.unisa.edu.au>
The problems we have all identified in the SLC site only serves to amplify for
me the importance of cross-browser compatibility. Some of you are aware that I
am having a battle over this issue in relation to a web site that has been
developed to take advantage of the features of latest browsers and only
operates on very specific versions of IE and NS. I am fighting for a text only,
no-frames version of the site which does not rely on scripts or plug-ins.
It would help my case (I hope) if I could present to the developers of the site
a summary of the reasons some people have no other option or choose to use
older browsers or text browsers such as Lynx etc. The developers argue, that
since they will provide the appropriate versions of the browser software on an
accompanying CD, the target group of users will not have a problem.
David Woolley very kindly pointed out after my last email about this issue that
if users have a different OS (in the eg I am citing only Win or Mac are
supported) the CD would also have to include the OS - and that would then
create licensing implications. David also raised the issue that if users want
to access the site from work they may have problems negotiating to install the
upgrade browser software on their employers machines.
What would help me in my quest to over-rule the decision to go with a browser
specific site is (a) to present the developers with a list of reasons people
cannot use latest versions of IE or NS (sure I know lots of reasons myself but
I am sure their are lots I am not aware of) and (b) to be able to cite figures
indicating the proportion of users who do not use IE or NS. I know there a web
sites which show the comparative usage of IE versus NS, but does anyone know of
a site that includes figures for other popular browsers such as Lynx, Opera etc
etc?
If anyone can help me out with info relating to either or both of these issues
I would be very grateful. I need all the ammunition I can get.
Denise
Dr Denise L Wood
Lecturer: Professional Development (online teaching and learning)
University of South Australia
CE Campus, North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R. Burks [mailto:mburks952@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2001 1:40 PM
To: Denise Wood; 'Access Systems'
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Accessibility of Salt Lake Olympic Site
Denise,
I got that, I wish the guy who wrote the wave was still with us, he would
explain it to me. I think it is something with the Java script...lets be clear
here Java and JavaScript are different...though both can be troublesome LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Wood [mailto:Denise.Wood@unisa.edu.au]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:49 PM
To: 'Access Systems'
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; mburks952@worldnet.att.net
Subject: RE: Accessibility of Salt Lake Olympic Site
Ah yes - that was the problem I listed in my earlier email. I tried with Lynx
and got the same message. The site does need a no-frames text only alternative
to cater for users with browsers that don't support frames and JAVA etc.
The reason I asked is because it seems as though the site has moved to another
server - hence the reason WAVE could not analyse it. I get this message when I
try to run WAVE:
Welcome to the Official Site
of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games
The page you have requested either is temporarily unavailable, outdated, or no
longer exists on our servers. We apologize for
the inconvenience. This page will refresh in 15 seconds to the
www.saltlake2002.com home page.
But if I try to run WAVE at that URL I go around in circles - ie I get the same
message again and am redirected back to itself. BIZARRE!!!!!!
Denise
Dr Denise L Wood
Lecturer: Professional Development (online teaching and learning)
University of South Australia
CE Campus, North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000
Ph: (61 8) 8302 2172 / (61 8) 8302 4472 (Tuesdays & Thursdays)
Fax: (61 8) 8302 2363 / (61 8) 8302 4390
Mob: (0413 648 260)
Email: Denise.Wood@unisa.edu.au
WWW: http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?Name=Denise.Wood
<http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?Name=Denise.Wood>
-----Original Message-----
From: Access Systems [ mailto:accessys@smart.net <mailto:accessys@smart.net> ]
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2001 1:21 PM
To: Denise Wood
Cc: Steven McCaffrey; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; mburks952@worldnet.att.net
Subject: RE: Accessibility of Salt Lake Olympic Site
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Denise Wood wrote:
> Can you elaborate on that Bob? Do you mean the link supplied is not bringing
> you to the home page (ie server not found) or that you can't view the home
page
> because of the browser version you are using?
got a notice telling me to turn on scripts and frames.
don't have either avaliable in LYNX
Bob
>
> Denise
>
> Dr Denise L Wood
> Lecturer: Professional Development (online teaching and learning)
> University of South Australia
> CE Campus, North Terrace, Adelaide SA 5000
> Ph: (61 8) 8302 2172 / (61 8) 8302 4472 (Tuesdays & Thursdays)
> Fax: (61 8) 8302 2363 / (61 8) 8302 4390
> Mob: (0413 648 260)
>
> Email: Denise.Wood@unisa.edu.au
> WWW: http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?Name=Denise.Wood
<http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?Name=Denise.Wood>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Access Systems [ mailto:accessys@smart.net <mailto:accessys@smart.net>
]
> Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2001 11:09 AM
> To: Steven McCaffrey
> Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org; mburks952@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Salt Lake Olympic Site
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>
> > I found the home page to be overall quite accessible. There were,
> however, a handful of links where my screen reader read what sounded like
long
> file names (some with long numbers) and there was one "click here" link.
> Considering all the info on the page though, not bad at all.
> > Other experiences?
>
>
> I can't even get to the home page!!!!
>
> Bob
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > >>> "Michael R. Burks" <mburks952@worldnet.att.net> 10/26/01 01:32PM >>>
> > All,
> >
> > has anyone checked out the accessibility of http://www.slc2002.org/
<http://www.slc2002.org/> ?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mike Burks
> >
> >
>
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