- From: <Andrew.Arch@visionaustralia.org.au>
- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:42:23 +1000
- To: SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV
- Cc: dine@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
We have JAWS 3.70 as standard within Vision Australia for those staff needing a screen reader and some recent testing I have done on tables with 3.70.87 is that JAWS is smart. Navigating tables with the JAWS table keystrokes we can get the row and column headers read out (CTL-ALT-Num Pad 5) to us even if the table has not been marked up with accessible attributes (eg ID & HEADERS). I have alos found that the ABBR attribute is quite handy if you have a long row/column heading that can be abbreviated satisfactorily. Jean-Marie D'Amour recently pointed out a quirk to me in HPR too - it doesn't seem to reset its tables ID's when you move to a new data table. So - make sure each table uses a unique set of ID's for the rows and columns as required. Has anyone esl had experience with this possible "feature"? Andrew _________________________________ Dr Andrew Arch Manager, Internet Product Development Vision Australia Foundation Ph 613 9864 9222; Fax 613 9864 9210 Mobile 0438 755 565 http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ Member, Education & Outreach Working Group, W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/ "Steven McCaffrey" To: <dine@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov>, <SMCCAFFR@MAIL. <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> NYSED.GOV> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: w3c - Scope attribute in Table w3c-wai-ig-requ tag est@w3.org 13/07/01 00:56 Hello Brooke: For me, using JFW 3.31, neither coding renders the table described in the HTML Techniques documentt, (the "Cups of Coffee example) as indicated. Instead of the speech synthesis rendering described there, I hear Cups of coffee consumed by each senator NameCupsType of CoffeeSugar? T. Sexton 10 Espresso No J. Dinnen 5 Decaf Yes Note also, I do not hear the summary attribute, only the Caption attribute. Others with different versions may have different experiences. Steve Steve McCaffrey ITS NYSED >>> "Brooke Dine" <dine@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov> 07/12/01 10:26AM >>> Yes, I'm just full of questions this week. Thanks to everyone for the info on requirements/procedures. Next question: I'm attempting to figure out the proper method of tagging for tables. In the past I had used <th> and <td> with "header" and "id" as per W3C. However, the 508 requirements from the Access Board say to just use the scope attribute. What do you all think? Which is better for data tables? and layout tables? Which readers pick up the scope tag? As always, thanks! Brooke Dine Information Specialist National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) National Library of Medicine/NIH Bethesda, MD 20892
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