- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:46:16 -0500 (EST)
- To: "Gatewood, Joy" <jogat@opic.gov>
- cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Tidy is available for every platform I have thought about using except my cell phone. (It is available, in a restricted form, through a web gateway so I guess I could use that if I could find a decent provider) Amaya is available for Linux, other Unix forms, and Windows. It is hoped that it will be available for MacOS X soon but not promised (this is an outside effort) The W3C Link Chacker is available. All the above are licensed under the W3C license - essentially they are open source and free and you can make modifications and sell them. It is a less restrictive license than the GPL, or standard "copyleft" license. Details are available from THe W3C's open source software page - http://www.w3.org/Status iCab is Mac-only. It is in preview, and the full version is said to cost USD $30 when it comes out. In the meantime it is free. It comes from http://www.icab.de Lynx is available for amny platforms. The Macintosh version I have is a bit behind other versions (no SSL, and no table support, and a few other missing things) but it does have speech output built in (basic, using the Mac's inbuilt stuff. But it can be used with other things to get some decent results. I don't recall where to get it. Cheers Charles McCN On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: I use Amaya as my main authoring tool, becuase I like the HTMl and CSS interface, and becase it produces valid code automatically. Tidy is great for importing junk content and cleaning it up I use Lynx as a browser for looking at stuff in - between it, Amaya, and a couple of common graphics browsers I get a quick idea of what is going to appear. (In general I use Lynx as my first browser) I also use iCab as a browser - despite the fact that it doesn't support style sheets, it does a lot of other things reasonably nicely for me. (I use it if I need a graphic browser as my first choice) W3C has a link checking tool, so I use that. I also use the Amaya views for testing in. And if all else feails, of course, I read the source... cheers Charles McCN On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Gatewood, Joy wrote: I use a combination of tools to discover what fixes are needed to improve accessibility. -Linkbot has a web site scan that includes a listing of pages missing attributes (such as images missing alt tags and pages without titles); -Dreamweaver also has these options; -Homesite (I use the 3.2 old version with a built in HTML validator) lets you run the validator over a web page and see not only the HTML errors, but also prompts the user to add alt tags to images lacking them; -Bobby is useful to find problems with your web site/page that you may have overlooked; and -JAWS is also useful to beta test your site with, especially to mimic a blind person's visit to your site. Then one can consult a checklist and go over it manually to fine tune any errors and/or omissions. I'd be interested to hear what others use. Joy Gatewood Vector Research, Inc. www.vrionline.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:19 PM To: Kynn Bartlett Cc: Charles F. Munat; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: RE: Simplicity of Authoring and Accessibility Tools I also agree that we need a good tool. For my pusrposes, I use Amaya as a WYSIWYG tool. It doesn't do everything, but it does the things I need. Which is my compromise. (In particular, it suffers from being somewhat inaccessible to a number of users. On the other hand it has an interface that makes it fairly easy to create reasonably structured content, although it is not the same interface as many common editors. I guess I should confess that I actually don't find those editors intuitive either - I have to learn every single piece of software I want to use). There was a thread a while ago on editors that people like using. I thought it was very valuable to see what people liked and why, and what the limitations were. cheers Charles McCN On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Kynn Bartlett wrote: At 1:48 AM -0800 1/19/01, Charles F. Munat wrote: >As for teaching HTML, I've been teaching for the better part of 20 years and >I've yet to meet anyone who was incapable of learning. Different people may >need different pedagogical techniques, and may learn at different rates, but >anyone who's capable of operating FrontPage is certainly capable of learning >enough HTML to code a web page. Whether they want to is another question. >For those who don't, I hope we get a decent WYSIWYG tool soon. We are in definite agreement that we need a good WYSIWYG tool. I don't think there are any at the moment, sadly, so compromises are often necessary. --Kynn -- Charles McCathieNevile mailto:charles@w3.org phone: +61 (0) 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI Location: I-cubed, 110 Victoria Street, Carlton VIC 3053, Australia until 6 January 2001 at: W3C INRIA, 2004 Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France
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