- From: Dave J Woolley <DJW@bts.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:20:10 +0100
- To: "'w3c-wai-ig@w3.org'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> From: Kynn Bartlett [SMTP:kynn-edapta@idyllmtn.com] > > In "real life", people don't see underscores as something that will > take them somewhere else. On my DVD player, I don't have underlines > telling me which of the words on the screen will take me to the > cut scenes. But I'm still able to figure out how to get there. > [DJW:] I don't have a DVD player to compare notes with, but if the user interface is generated by the player, it is always the same, and if it is part of the software, the film studios will adopt some fairly rigid conventions. If you take basic home entertainment stuff, what is a buttonn is usually pretty obvious from the mechanics of it, or a frame round it, and there are established symbols for stop, play, etc. Even then, most people can't program VCRs. With many, graphics based, commercial web pages, I have to play hunt the button, even though I think I'm quite bright. Even with tool bars on Windows, I end up relying on hovering to get tool tips, because there is no standard lexicon of symbols much beyond "save". Even without heavy graphics on web pages, I rely on having learned lots of different idioms used by web designers to hide links. Having some standard convention for links for the browser means you can tell someone who is not computer literate to look out for that convention. Once you allow the content provider to control presentation, it becomes difficult to personalise the convention to the browser or user, as the content provider can mimic any convention that you use. I think people here are underestimating how difficult it is for the average person to understand the conventions involved even with software that religiously follows the Windows user interface guidelines. Unless you are using computers on a regular basis and feel confident with them, even "user friendly" interfaces can be very difficult (even driving a mouse takes training in hand eye coordination, for reasonably intelligent and able bodied people). I think, if you actually try to count the number of different idioms that you rely on knowing, you might be surprised. I just happen to have the page in the Farnell catalogue open (see end) open (computer stationery catalogue). Whilst this page is quite cleanly laid out, one needs to recognize: - tabbed dialogue style menu (black, not underlined) - vertical bar style menu (white, not underlined) - basket icon - logo as link to home page - underlined order code (black with mouseover), no tool tip, for product details - why not, for example, the description - input type=image, with the word "Add" on a small blue background (alt text, used as tool tip, not alt text) is the order this item button - uderlined black hyphenated number pairs at the bottom are links to other pages in the results set (I had to think about this one - was it really the price break ranges) - blue right pointing triangle at bottom is go up in hierarchy (tool tips and alts quite well). This is not aimed at a computer illiterate audience, but it does illustrate the number of conventions one needs to know to handle just one random page. If anything I'd expect most consumer oriented catalogue pages to be more difficult. The only sense in which these are not aimed at computer illeterate audiences is in as much as those audiences are not expected to be able to afford the product. Note that, nowadays, disabling presentational features in the browser is likely to break many popular sites, so doing so in order to get a consistent presentation of specific constructs really doesn't work. To get to the page mentioned (its in a frameset, and the description includes the frame border), start at: http://www.farnell.co.uk/Search/search-frame1.jhtml?CATID1=23 and select "Office consumables", "Stationery", "Other Stationery". A deep link to the content frame is: http://www.farnell.co.uk/Search/level_4.jhtml?CATID1=23&CATID2=1021&CATID3=1 024&CATID4=1024&START=1&COUNT=25 >
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